Cornwall IV vs. Volti Rival, Razz; Razz v. 1, 2, 3 -- what changed?


Looking for efficient speakers. I had the opportunity to listen to a Cornwall IV yesterday. It was run on nice tubes (Primaluna 400 EL34s) with a bluesound node streamer/dac.

QUESTION: I'm curious if anyone has compared CW IV with Volti Rival of Razz. Thoughts?

QUESTION 2: Anyone know what changed in the Volti Razz when it moved from v. 2 to v. 3?

Thanks

hilde45

Showing 15 responses by mrdecibel

The Klipsch Heritage series cabinets are made here, as are the pro and cinema lines. All of the others are made in China. At one point Klipsch used 3/4 Baltic Birch. To the individual who has the Belles, damp the horns and purchase an RSL 12s subwoofer. An awesome cohesive fit with the Klipsch dog houses. My best, MrD.

For over 50 years I have been damping horns, of all speakers using them. They did not have Dynamat back then, but there were materials that we used that did the job, such as clay, mortite etc. Mortite is still an excellent damper of resonance and vibration, is cheap to buy, and very worthwhile. Horn bodies make a sound, especially those made from polycarbonate plastic (whatever), and aluminum/metal. If you have ANY Klipsch (and many others), I can tell you, this is an area of great improvement. Over the years, I have had hundreds of customers following my directions on doing these simple, inexpensive but somewhat time consuming procedures, and some say it is a different speaker altogether, saying the " nasties " have gone away. Woofer frames also benefit from damping. And cabinets...there are endless things one can do. As a Klipsch supporter (specifically the Heritage series) the newest versions are no different than the older ones. I can easily hear these colorations, as my good buddy Mike from NJ. I guided him on these modifications with his mid 80s Lascalas, and he no longer uses an eq to rid himself of some nasties that were there before. YMMV. My best, MrD.

A stacked pair of tweaked/modified CWIV. Invert the top pair, as we used to do with Lg Advents, AR, Heresy, JBLs. etc. Under your budget. What a presentation !

As a Klipsch follower/user/tweaker/modifier/listener of 56 years, who has met PWK on a couple of occasions during my life, I feel saddened by what I read from Greg Roberts. If not for the horn design of PWK, Roberts would not have his Vittora model. Secondly, Roberts puts a huge amount of money into the cabinets, no doubt, but the customer is paying for it. And finally, I have respected Roberts since his beginnings, but after reading his words as a manufacturer disparaging the Klipsch company that he copied for his design, I am besides myself. I always wanted a pair of Vittoras, but now, would never purchase a Volti product. In conclusion, I feel Greg Roberts should apologize for his nasty, inaccurate words. There, I said it. My best to all.....Enjoy ! MrD.

The fact that GR indicated China manufacturing of a Heritage product, which was bad enough based on a falsehood or misinformation, it was how he described the wood as being one step above, over cardboard. Not right, even if he thought so. Interesting story of how and why he developed the Lascala, and I love the design. I can find fault in every budget loudspeaker, $15K being budget nowadays. Talking about why US companies move manufacturing to China, whether politically correct or not, should not be a surprise. I know of so many Chinese produced products that are excellent. I few months ago I sold my Jungson JA99C power amp to a local individual. It is a very heavy beast and ran way too hot for my situation, considering I leave solid state on 24/7 (the build quality and beauty is incredible). The heatsinks has very little ringing, compared to many. I am looking to sell a few more 70+ pounders for this reason (and this is not an advertisement of sale, as I only sell locally, as I do not ship any longer). The 99C is a great amp, and imo, ime, and in my system, it embarrassed much more expensive products, made here in the good old USA (will not mention brands nor models). The buyer came to my home to listen to it and was flabbergasted at what he heard. Coincidently he also owns Lascalas, and I helped him tweak his pair (at no cost other than material). At his home, he is a collector as I am. He replaced a Levinson with the 99C and could not be happier (I concur). Wow, talk about being long winded. My best always, MrD.

@bjesien As you attached photos of your room/equipment (very nice btw) here, you can post it on your systems page, and when everyone is satisfied with the truth, you can always delete it. That would be a great end to this. TY in advance. MrD.

@bjesien That is awesome. That is a legitimate Klipsch Heritage sticker, as I have seen hundreds of them, and they are not dinosaur stickers either, as you have a pair of the IVs, correct? All folks have to do is look at your system page and see for themselves. This has been sickening to me, that one man could have been mistaken, or was in a very competitive mood when he wrote that. My mid 80s Lascalas have similar labels. After this, maybe we can back to the best speaker option for the OP. Thank you @bjesien Enjoy ! BTW, it did not make sense to me to photograph my labels and post, as this was about Fortes specifically.

Someone likely made fun of me and deleted it. I invited some gummies over to chill. I supposed we were. 😂🤣🙈🙉🙊😂🤣

It is interesting that Greg is showing a midrange driver of his covered with Dynamat damping material. Bravo

I never felt the Forte model was in the class of the other Heritage models. In fact, it took years since it’s introduction for Klipsch to proclaim the Forte model as a "Heritage". I always added internal bracing to the cabinets (as well as my damping procedures), and mostly, elevated them on cinderblocks with material between the Forte and the blocks. A much better presentation. Keep them far from the rear wall, whenever possible. These were for clients of mine who had them. Me, I started with CW verticals, CW horizontals (standard), Lascala, Khorn, and now back to Lascala. I love the Lascala design. I love my system.

btw hilde45, I like your room. Horns will sing and spread their wings in there!

When you are listening loud to two channel (2 speakers) and other speakers are sharing the room, do this little test. When cranking the new Volti speakers, remove the grill of the Forte, and gently place the tip of your index finger on the woofer cone...you will find it will vibrate to the spl within the room. The Fortes are actually making a sound, and so are the other unused speakers. You are hearing all of the speakers, although only 1 pair are actually playing through an amp. This is a major detriment to two channel when combined with home theater. IMO & IME. Enjoy! My best, MrD.