Considering selling my restored Garrard 301


AG used to be my go to source until the dealers took over but I am hoping for some  thoughts. I restored a nice 1958-9 Creme Garrard 301 oil. Fitted it with an SAEC 308L  w/Ortofon Cadenza Blue. Built a plinth using 2 layers of butcher block. 

 

While I love the deck, I am considering a more modern alternative. My question is...

Would there be people interested in buying it at a price that would enable me to purchase a comparable alternative or a trade.

Maybe I'm crazy, and perhaps it's the "bug", but I am open to queries. 

I also own a Micro Seiko BL-51 with an Acos Lustre GST 1 arm and Denon 103r

 

Hope people engage 

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Showing 7 responses by fsonicsmith

I would love to help you but no one could possibly help you with such scant information. I took every possible path with a Thorens TD124 I inherited from my Dad. I had it "restored" by someone who seemed to know how to properly restore it. He did not. I had it set up by someone who seemed to know how to do turntable set-up. He did not. I had a plinth built that seemed beautiful and more than adequate. It was not. None of these people were hacks. They just did mediocre jobs. I found someone who REALLY knew how to restore a TD124 and found a great tonearm that mated well with the TD124 and then found someone who REALLY knew how to do proper TT set-up. I had an incredible plinth built. Only then did everything fall in place.

After having the TD124 restored, I bought the same version of 301 you list and again, it was all about having a true Garrard expert recondition and modify it.

The message I am trying to convey to you is that you with vintage decks you can’t half-ass it. The devil is truly in the details. See my profile and system for pics and details. When properly executed, these two classic drive units can compete with all but the exotic top tier stuff. They have a certain flavor though that is not for all. 

As to your question about what price you might be able to sell it for and what you in turn could buy with it, well, that too is impossible without seeing what you have. That 301 if not trashed usually will sell for a minimum of $1,500 but could fetch $3,500-$4,000 if perfectly restored for the drive unit only.

I don't want to be accused of "scamming AG for a free ad". 

As I said above, the devil is in the details. 

Was your motor truly torn down piece by piece and rebuilt by someone who knows how to make it "new"? Was it rebuilt with upgraded parts such as this https://www.classichifi-shop.co.uk/product/garrard-301-uprated-brass-spindle/ ?

I will drop two names for you to consider consulting-Greg Metz (outside of Nashville) and Steve Dobbins (Xact Audio). I will warn you that neither are arse-kissers; they will tell you what they really think and in rather succinct fashion. What they can both do is lead you to where you want to be. Greg is the guru of rebuilding motors and all associated parts, Steve is the expert on plinths, platters, and mating the 301 with a complimentary tonearm. 

 

After you get the basics ironed out you can consider going the extra mile to get the. best out of the 301 which might include Stillpoints installed under the plinth, an LDA (Long Dog Audio-what a name!) power supply to smooth out the induction motor https://www.artisanfidelity.com/accessories/lda-audio-quartz-turntable-power-supply

and the Eclipse Roadrunner now sold by SOTA to monitor speed which can then be adjusted with the power supply. 

Is the Roadrunner compatible with the AF power supply?

It is not an Artisan Fidelity PS, it is an LDA (as specified) that AF happens to sell. I have no doubt you mean "does it work with the PS the same way it worked with Phoenix Engineering’s PS?" and the answer to that is "no". It will not automatically monitor and adjust the speed. But it does stabilize the speed such that after a brief warm up I rarely need to adjust it.

The primary benefit, as described by Artisan Fidelity, it NOT to offer speed control but to instead smooth the running of the very powerful but prone-to-noise induction motor. 

Pretty cool. AF are a pretty smart bunch of guys with their choice of products and marketing.

FWIW, I have never purchased a thing from AF. I am not sure if you are applying the word "marketing" with respect or snark. They do have a glitzy website for a lot of glitzy drool-worthy products. I bought my LDA PS from another dealer (in upstate NY who told me he had been a good friend of Art Dudley's) and to support my TD124. I have a different PS feeding smooth current to my 301-one that I bought from Greg Metz who in turn obtained it from Ray of Classic HiFi that looks and is the same as this https://www.ebay.com/itm/204478352678?hash=item2f9bdc0d26:g:KP4AAOSwDSRcn64b&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0NUyKS920XH4XkVK2EJaAzgZYem5Ghd7J%2BaSAuSe882ILyZU17BDPohNLmtX%2FXQVZnpBqG95tKYi%2B9B8Gio6LoAxmzLcZqyrtmTGywHGFVvqa%2BgS7HVBGxxIzDYSe53scYDrrwq%2FJQvvxaLjvH8PJe%2F%2Flnqpj3ts1RrZV8usj1vxkEJ2iyb5a9n0xE80kAHgCtBm7TaLS2Qdv6SWC4hHHA%2BJn5KWBf7dnnBwbCDPiInaE1hsSuerieSaSGPT%2FM7q%2F4rw2ULf%2BbJoPoc46w6MgXg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8TxoaSHYw

Before buying the LDA I tried to buy a second one of the Garrard-styled units linked above and Ray told me that he could no longer source them. In the eBay listing the box says "Made in England" but I recall Ray stating that they are actually made in Russia. 

@mijostyn 

This is the reason belt and direct drives stole the entire market dumping these old ID drive tables, which were in the beginning very inexpensive until audiophile mythology took over. 

No need to tear you into pieces. When a fool stands up at a party and starts saying idiotic things, polite people just walk away. 

Btw, your syntax is as faulty as your point of view. Maybe worse.