condenser versus direct coupled?


I have an Hitachi 8500 MKII preamp and it has a condenser output and a direct coupled output. What is the difference? THANKS!
anthony
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A "condenser" is an old name for a capacitor. Placing the cap in series with the signal will help prevent DC leakage from a source component or preamp from being fed into the power amp. It is strictly a "safety" feature and will only detract from the sonics. I make the last comment based on the assumption that Hitachi wasn't using the highest grade capacitors in their components. The "direct coupled" output bypasses the cap, which could result in better sonics ( PROBABLY ) but could also put the system at risk of damage if using older components that could be defective.

Try it both ways and see what you get. Sean
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DC absolutely WILL burn up your speakers faster than AC, especially if of the same peak voltage level. That is because DC has a much higher RMS level than the AC waveform generates.

As the AC waveform vacillates from positive to negative and varies intensity*, the DC signal remains consistent in amplitude. Unless the DC has a high level of ripple, the peak power is the same as the average power. With AC, the peak is measureably higher than the average. This means that the heating power of DC voltage is FAR greater than that of AC. Due to this factor, DC tends to melt voice coils and / or the glue that secures the voice coil to the coil former much faster and at lower levels. Sean
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* With AC, the intensity varies due to the "hill and valley" shape of the sine wave. Not only is the voltage varying as it climbs up and down those "hills", the duration or "thickness" of the peaks and valleys vary too. On the other hand, DC is pretty much a steady state signal that remains consistent. If you took the same peak amplitude of both signals, the DC would look like a straight line running across the peaks of the AC "hills". If you look at the average power that the DC signal maintains compared to the areas that drop below that flat line at the peaks of the hills, AC is FAR less "potent". The reason that we don't use it for our power grid is that it doesn't fare very well when travelling long distances. As such, we generate AC to send the signal over a long distance and then convert to DC for it's greater work-load capacity.
"Actually, as I think you must know perfectly well, the rms voltage of a sinusoidal waveform (its heating power) is 7/10 that of its peak voltage, which is presumably what you are assuming for DC from a faulty amp."

7/10th's is the same as a 30% reduction. That means at least a 30% increase in steady state heat. I say "at least" because we are basing this on a linear sine wave measurement. Using anything other than that can skew the results even further i.e. even greater heat dissipation.

"Furthermore, if the amp goes into oscillation, which is the most likely failure mode, the output will be a square wave, (instead of a sine wave) which has exactly the same power as DC."

This is not "completely" true. A square wave is still AC and will work the driver as it normally would. The only difference is that the average power levels are higher than what one would see with a sign wave. The difference is that due to the driver still working properly i.e. moving fore and aft, you will dissipate energy as both acoustic output and as heat. If the driver has a vented spider or a vented pole piece, the motion of the driver will aid the natural convection of heat away from the voice coil and coil former. This has to do with the pressure changes within the driver itself caused from the fore and aft motion.

When you apply DC to the driver, it locks the driver in one position and holds it there. Depending on the polarity of the DC signal and how it is connected to the driver, it can be thrown out or sucked in. There is no acoustic output to dissipate energy and since the driver is stuck in one position, the natural convection cooling of the driver itself is reduced.

While both will end up causing driver failure, DC will do it faster than clipped AC.

"DC transmits over long distances very efficiently. Better than AC. A lot of research work was done on that technology here in Pittsfield Mass by the General Electric Transformer business."

I wonder if they ever published any information on this based on their test results. I'm sure it would be interesting.

"With either AC or DC long distance transmission calls for voltage of several hundred thousand volts."

Current day AC systems travel for many, many miles using voltage levels that never come close to 100+ KV. While i could be wrong, i think that our local lines operate at appr 24 KV or so.

"You can't have that going into your house!

You can't really have that going through the air either. In times of heavy humidity and the level of current available, the potential for arcing would be too great. Sean
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WOW is right!!! I guess you can learn something new every day. I'm obviously WAY out of touch with this aspect of "power delivery". Thanks for doing the legwork and correcting my screw-ups. Sean
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