Compare Bob Carver Black Magic 25 and Rogue Stereo 100?


Can anyone help me decide which tube may sound better, a -  Bob Carver Black Magic 25 or Rogue Stereo 100?  I will match either/or to :Martin Logan 20i.  Carver is new but only 20wpc. Rogue is used but 100wpc.  Both are online so no way to audition.  Thank you all for suggestions.  

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Showing 3 responses by holmz

Both are online so no way to audition.

^That^ says enough to know that neither will likely be a keeper.

hence; I would proceed slowly.

 

I sort of hate to mention it, but i also hate to half-a$$ a system…

 

The earlier model AIYAMA A-07, for ~$70 from Amazon, is being used on surround and center channels in a 2.1/5.1 system… and if you are hard up for an amp it is not bad. My 2.1 side is a bit on the high end side… and the 5.1 is also a but high end at the AVR, but quickly goes economy at the amps.

Do not get the newer A-07 Pro

My daughter put one on a very modest stereo system as well. She has heard some pretty expensive systems, and agreed that it was very much fit for purpose.

 

IMO you would better off with a simple, or a descent Class-D, over the Carver or the Rogue. Or a better tube example…

But a gun to the head would result in Rogue… or a used PrimaLuna or ARC.

Easy @invalid - the OP said they did not have the opportunity to listen to either one, and to be fair I closed with…

But a gun to the head would result in Rogue… or a used PrimaLuna or ARC.

The main point is buying a relatively expensive amp without being able to listen to it, could result in wasted $.

And while the Rogue is a better bet than a Carver, it is not a sure bet.
A used PL or ARC is more of a sure bet.

holmz the class D isn’t a sure bet either and saying it’s better than the rogue or carver is just speculation also

True @invalid - but a $70 mistake is easier pill to swallow than a half attempt at a good amp. (And the OP is also spectulating and claimed to have not heard either amp… so what is another speculation on top of the 1st two?)

When I ordered one I was pretty sure I would be sending it back.
I actually ordered a Topping PA-5 as well.
The Topping was hissing like a snake, and the Aiyima was surprisingly good.
So the Topping went back to Amazon.

My tube amps sound better, but it was certainly solid in the $70 range, and I expected to use it in the interim until I figure out the HT.
But I’ll likely stick with it as the video part is distracting and the sound is pretty good.


Anyhow the point is that I also have been looking at multi thousand $ amps, and I would be wiling loose a $70 bet a lot easier than a $1000 bet.

This is good advice from @lpretiring :

 

OP, are you based in the U.S.?

TMR has a few used Rogue Stereo 100 amps available today with a money back guarantee, and Carver also offers 30 day trials.

Trying at home yourself would yield the best results if possible.

I would be trying the Rogue way ahead of a Carver.
And some Class-Ds ahead of the Carver.