Compare: Basis Debut, VPI TNT, top Teres tables

Can't say as I've heard these tables, but I have a buddy who has gone through many, many tables in the past. He's had the TNT and said it is very detailed with slam but lacks a certain "musical" quiality. I can understand this; it seems to be a trend in the industry these days. Pull out as much detail as possible but lose the musicality. It's got to be hard to keep both alive.

There's lots of good things said about SOTA turntables, and the reviewers of them say they keep the music alive. Same thing for the Well Tempered. I believe Teres owners say the same thing, but there are so many variations on their implementation that it's hard to know what to believe (there's also the DIY issue, where "if I made it it must be good" attitude usually prevails).

So are you a detail freak or do you like to get up and dance?

Enjoy the hunt,
Bob

Been away for a few days and returned to see the replies above. Sorry to see any hurt feelings cropping up from the past. Maybe all parties need recognize the power of their own enthusiasms that quickly lead to bias and stridency, but we're all only human after all (excepting me, naturally) (!). The irony here, fundamentally, seems to be that we can't all hear these sorts of tables side by side, in fine tune, together. Wouldn't that be fun? I do appreciate heartfelt opinions and the mere fact that a few others on the planet share this interest with me. Other inputs welcome, too.

Scott

Dan_ed,
I wrote the response that Thomas just mentioned. Your interpretation is correct, but I should not have used sarcasm. My apologies to Thomas and to the forum in general if anyone was offended.

Thomas,
You emailed me asking what I meant. I did my best to explain and offered an apology. I also extended an invitation if you were ever in my neighborhood. You never replied so I assumed the matter was dead. Apparently not. What else can I say to put this behind us?

Scott,
Sorry your thread got hijacked. I have not heard a Basis, only a Teres, so I can't offer any valid comparisons. Like many of us I had to buy without being able to audition.

FWIW, I chose a Teres 265 and feel it was money very well spent. I still believe it provides the best value for any TT within 150-200% of its price, and could recite a long list of reasons if anybody cared. As Thomas said, it's "simple, reliable and honest." Dynamic as hell too. :)

OTOH, if I had $10K a Basis Debut would certainly be near the top of my short list. I think that's about the least you can spend to get a suspended TT that outplays a simple, mass-loaded Teres/Redpoint/Galibier. AJ Conti would be the first to say that engineering a suspended TT requires good science, sound engineering and topnotch manufacturing. Basis apparently does all that, but it costs a lot to do it.

I re-read the post that Thomas refers to. I think perhaps there is a misunderstanding about what the poster meant when he said that "Thomas is a bad guy". IMHO, that remark was meant to be a sarcastic response because the poster felt that Thomas was putting down the Teres table abit even though he, Thomas, had not heard it.

I don't think the poster really meant that Thomas is a bad person.

Just my observation.

Can't comment much on the others, but for over 13 years I've owned a Basis Ovation that was upgraded a number of years ago to the equivalent of Debut Gold Standard Vacuum, and the only table I've heard over that time that I like better at dealers' and friends (no, haven't heard the Teres) has been the SME 30; the rest may be on a similar quality level but "better" will wind up a matter of what your personal tastes are. I think that the Basis table may be a little less "lively" sounding than some other tables, though I view that as effective damping of vibrations by the Basis. I would spring for the vacuum version, it's worth the extra cost--much blacker background and better dynamics.

I think, there are no more ideas. Everyxthing about tables was written, some search and you will find lots of info. Personally I think the Basis is one of the better ones, the musical reproduction is right, quality is excellent and it works always.
Some time ago I wrote a small comment about a teres table, compared to a Basis ( "...not on par with Basis "), then I got a answer that I am not a nice guy, that there are negative things known about me and more things in that direction. I asked the writer, what he knowns about me, he answered, he knows nothing about me ...
I think based on that direction, that the Teres Table is pushed here in the Forum, personally I don't care, but being a bit critical is recommended.
The VPI TNT is a nice table, it is a good one, but the Basis is a class of it's own, and here you have the Vacuum option. BTW, the smaller 2500 is excellent.

I compared the Debut to a Simon Yorke 7. They are on par and I did like the Basis more ( much more multifarious with arms ), so I bought it. The simon yorke should have a Vibraplane and I was not that mad about it.

I wanted it simple, reliable and honest.

I have been waiting for feedback on this Subject,I can`t believe no one have a opinion about these Tables

well, for what its worth Mr. Kondo of Audio Note Japan has assembled some very expensive, did i say very expensive systems for international clients, and in his cost no object systems, he uses the Simon Yorke S7 turntable and tone arm. That is the same one that Michael Fremers has as his reference turntable. While there will be a lot different opinions posted, it is in Kondo-san's ears, i trust.