Classical Music for Aficionados


I would like to start a thread, similar to Orpheus’ jazz site, for lovers of classical music.
I will list some of my favorite recordings, CDs as well as LP’s. While good sound is not a prime requisite, it will be a consideration.
  Classical music lovers please feel free to add to my lists.
Discussion of musical and recording issues will be welcome.

I’ll start with a list of CDs.  Records to follow in a later post.

Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique.  Chesky  — Royal Phil. Orch.  Freccia, conductor.
Mahler:  Des Knaben Wunderhorn.  Vanguard Classics — Vienna Festival Orch. Prohaska, conductor.
Prokofiev:  Scythian Suite et. al.  DG  — Chicago Symphony  Abbado, conductor.
Brahms: Symphony #1.  Chesky — London Symph. Orch.  Horenstein, conductor.
Stravinsky: L’Histoire du Soldat. HDTT — Ars Nova.  Mandell, conductor.
Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances. Analogue Productions. — Dallas Symph Orch. Johanos, cond.
Respighi: Roman Festivals et. al. Chesky — Royal Phil. Orch. Freccia, conductor.

All of the above happen to be great sounding recordings, but, as I said, sonics is not a prerequisite.


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After thinking what a man like Bernard should have as a good-bye should be the very best and something he played that seems apt .
Just a small drop in a small bucket from a nobody .But here it is.


https://youtu.be/Hwm2PEL2bno

Brahms: Ein deutches Requiem

Peace  Nobel  One .
What a tribute to a great man, you could see the love shining out of his face. Well found Len.
Thanks, Jim .

Went into Scottish Sentient.
Just say what is in your mind and heart .

Brahms covers every aspect of life and death in his Requiem .




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If God decided to give me a do-over to my wasted life and I could go to
any college , in ANY country .it would be be this one 25 miles south
of my house . And few have been to as many as I .

This tiny minute + clip seems like a ":pitch" it is, AND every word is true!


https://youtu.be/Uk4FxDEQiSE

AMEN
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Any lover of Bach must hear this lovely school .

https://youtu.be/0SclAUqaj2Q

His soft voice makes German music to the ear ,
I start nearly every day with a Cantata , does much to the soul of a sinner like me.
It never ceases me that so much wonderful music still comes from the poorest of major American cities , Cleveland .

Hear is a Cleveland clip of one of the most haunting  melody’s there is done as well as well can be .

https://youtu.be/BlO9zzMRYyU
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Thank you for the post Len the music was very nice. It is just a pity folk singers can't be a bit more imaginative with their guitar accompaniments though, it's always the same old DADGAD tuning that gets trotted out. I used to go to a folk club in Ayr at one time and heard some big names in the Scottish scene and that particular tuning was in it's infancy then and it was used for playing Pibroch's on the guitar then. Tony McManus and Martin Simpson were big then and it was quite refreshing as it was used to good measure in minor key music replicating the pipes because of the low A and D's on the bottom strings replicating the drones. Oh and the song Ca' the Yowes, I won the annual Burns prize at school once singing that particular song in my boy soprano days. I won a copy of Burn's Kilmarnock Edition of his works, oh how I wish I had a real Kilmarnock Edition first edition it would be worth a fortune now. Be safe Len.
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I like both Stirling and Perth Len with a little preference because of the historical side of things. The Scottish kings had their power base in Stirling castle till Mary Queen of Scots went to Edinburgh to try and get away from the Presbyterians and we all know that didn't work out. No I like Stirling because it is very near the central belt.
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my favoite


Nelson Freire, Piano Virtuoso of Warmth and Finesse, Dies at 77

Hailing from Brazil as one of the great pianists of the last half of the 20th century, he recalled masters of the first half in his virtuosity. But he shunned the limelight.



Nelson Freire, one of the greatest pianists of his time, at Alice Tully Hall at Lincoln Center in 2013. His playing harked back to that of the first half of the 20th century.Credit...Ruby Washington/The New York Times

By David Allen

Nelson Freire, a reclusive pianist whose fabled technique and sensitive, subtle musicianship made him a legend among pianophiles, died on Monday at his home in Rio de Janeiro. He was 77.

His manager, Jacques Thelen, confirmed the death. He said Mr. Freire had been suffering from trauma after a fall in 2019, which led to surgery on his upper right arm and left him unable to play.

Mr. Freire was one of the greatest pianists of the past half century, possessing a gift that, in its grace of touch and its ease of virtuosity, recalled playing from the great masters of the half-century before that.

“You will be hard pressed to find a recital of comparable warmth, affection and finesse,” the critic Bryce Morrison wrote of a Debussy album from Mr. Freire in 2009, in words that might also have spoken for his artistry as a whole. “Here, there is no need for spurious gestures and inflections; everything is given with a supreme naturalness and a perfectly accommodated virtuosity that declare Freire a master pianist throughout.”

That Mr. Freire was indeed a master pianist had never been in doubt. A child prodigy, he gave his first performance at 4 and was attracting attention at international competitions before his teens. His playing had a wisdom that critics rarely failed to describe as innate.

“There was hardly a single forced or teasing effect, not a sigh of sentimentality, not a line of hectoring rhetoric,” Richard Dyer of The Boston Globe wrote of a recital of Franck, Ravel, Chopin, Villa-Lobos and Liszt in 1977. Mr. Freire, the critic continued, possessed “one of the biggest natural talents for the keyboard that I have ever heard.”

Even so, his profile remained relatively limited. Comparisons to Arthur Rubinstein and Vladimir Horowitz abounded, but Mr. Freire was an uncommonly reticent artist, giving fewer concerts than many of his peers, recording only rarely early in his career and remaining indifferent to publicity.

“There is a big difference between music and the music business,” he was quoted as saying in a 1992 profile in The Baltimore Sun. “It’s a completely different language, and when I get too involved in talking it, I get a little bit sick. As for talking about myself, it actually bores me.”

For much of his career, such reticence reduced aficionados, as The Sun put it, to treat “pirate Freire tapes with the veneration an art historian might accord to a recently rediscovered Rembrandt.”

But that began to change in Mr. Freire’s last two decades, when a series of recordings brought him wider attention.

“Whether Mr. Freire is shy or merely introspective, it is impossible to say,” Allen Hughes of The New York Times wrote of the pianist’s New York recital debut in 1971. He noted that Mr. Freire had “projected little of his own personality to the audience.”

“He was there, he played splendidly and that was it.”

ImageMr. Freire at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in 2009. Critics often noted his self-effacing quality. “He was there, he played splendidly and that was it,” one wrote of a 1971 recital.Credit...Rachel Papo for The New York Times

Nelson José Pinto Freire was born in Boa Esperança, in southeastern Brazil, on Oct. 18, 1944. His father was a pharmacist, and his mother was a teacher who bought a piano for Nelson’s sister, Nelma, one of four older siblings. Nelson began to play from memory what he had heard Nelma practice. After 12 lessons of his own, each of which involved a four-hour bus ride down dirt tracks, his first teacher said that he had nothing left to teach the boy.

The family moved to Rio de Janeiro to find a new mentor; his father gave up his career to work in a bank there. But Nelson, then 6, was an unruly child, unwilling to be taught. With his parents about to give up, they found Lucia Branco, who had trained under Arthur de Greef, a pupil of Franz Liszt’s. Branco placed the boy with her student Nise Obino. “My relationship with her was very strong,” Mr. Freire said of Ms. Obino in 1995, “the strongest in my life.”

His break came in 1957, when he entered Rio’s first international piano competition and emerged a finalist. Brazil’s president, Juscelino Kubitschek, offered him a scholarship to study wherever he wanted to. He chose Vienna, and moved there at 14 to work with Bruno Seidlhofer, joining a class that included Rudolf Buchbinder and Martha Argerich, both of whom would go on to major international careers.

Ms. Argerich and Mr. Freire became frequent duo partners (and lifelong friends), both in concert and on record, her impulsive, electrifying style blending well with his tonal palette and impeccable timing.

“I didn’t do much work,” Mr. Freire nonetheless recalled of his two years in Vienna. He initially spoke no German and remained, after all, a teenager far from home.

Little success followed his return to Brazil, until he won first prize at the Vianna da Motta International Music Competition in Lisbon and the Dinu Lipatti Medal, presented in London, in 1964, accelerating his career in Europe.

Mr. Freire began recording for Columbia in the late 1960s, taping solo works by Schumann, Brahms and Chopin, as well as a double album of concertos by Tchaikovsky, Liszt, Grieg and Schumann, with Rudolf Kempe conducting the Munich Philharmonic. That album, Time magazine reported in 1970, “caught the critics by surprise and sent them scurrying for superlatives.”

Mr. Freire would scarcely return to the recording studio until 2001, after which he embarked on a golden period with Decca that produced nuanced, masterly releases of everything from Bach to Villa-Lobos, one of several Brazilian composers whom he played with pride.

Perhaps most valuable were standard-setting discs of the Chopin études, sonatas and nocturnes, as well as Brahms concertos with Riccardo Chailly and the Leipzig Gewandhaus Orchestra.

“This is the Brahms piano concerto set we’ve been waiting for,” the critic Jed Distler wrote in Gramophone in 2006, praising it for fusing “immediacy and insight, power and lyricism, and incandescent virtuosity that leaves few details unturned, yet always with the big picture in clear sight.”

Mr. Freire is survived by a brother, Nirval. His parents were killed in 1967 when a bus they were using to travel to hear Mr. Freire perform in Belo Horizonte, in their home state of Minas Gerais, plunged into a ravine.

Whatever repertoire Mr. Freire turned to, he had a depth of tonal variety, a poetry of phrasing and a natural, almost joyous refinement.

In “Nelson Freire,” a 2003 documentary film, he is shown watching a video of a joyous Errol Garner playing jazz piano. “I’ve never seen anyone play with such pleasure,” he said.

“That’s how I found the piano,” Mr. Freire continued. “The piano was the moment, when I was little, when I felt pleasure. I’m not happy after a concert if I haven’t felt that kind of pleasure for at least a moment. Classical pianists used to have this joy. Rubinstein had it. Horowitz had it, too. Guiomar Novaes had it, and Martha Argerich has it.”

What about you, the interviewer asked?

Mr. Freire lit a cigarette, looked up shyly, and smiled.



I already post this post today on my thread: "seeing sounds and music ", but it is his place here too....


If you want to test your audio system but at the same time you want to discover a classical masterpiece:

The most spectacular and difficult piece of recording i have useful to test all aspects of sound including hearing from speakers a recording where the sound COME AROUND the listener and often BEHIND HIS BACK, all that with a stereo system...Believe me or not...😁😊

Philip Glass : AKHNATON


Here the great variety of sound timbres and frequencies, solo and choral voices with Wagnerian tuba and percussions...

A great part of the sound fill my room with often voices not only BESIDE me at left or right, but voices and instruments behind my listening position at the direct opposite of the 2 speakers...

A well done acoustical stereo room is sometimes almost quadraphonic in effects with some well recording piece in my experience....

This cd is impossible to beat for testing the presence of individual instruments and voices perfectly distinguished by their timbre in this enormous mass of musicians....The test for bass will be astoundingly good because of the timbre variety of the different instruments in the bass register...

The best test for any system is timbre voice, because each human voice own an individuality unique to living system and gives a set of acoustical subtle acoustical cues impossible to hear with any instrument ...
And a big mass of instruments or enormous chorals are very difficult to be and stay musically detailled and not mainly indistinct noises on less good system and no controlled room...






This works is also an astounding piece of musical genius which i will resume in this description, which is exactly only that, a description in my words, of the way the composer summarize all the history of music in his own minimalist mastery:


You will "see" around you and not only hear, a huge cosmical and tellurically grounded Wagnerian and Scriabinian opera, transforming itself at some times in a big orchestral Brucknerian symphony which at times become a beautiful complex Monteverdian madrigals set which hide the germs of sublime but ONLY emerging simple masterful counterpoints mantras like in Bach or like in the 5th finale Bruckner symphony, counterpoints mantras that ends often in a powerful chord or a ceremony of drum rolls or an incantatory recitative, like in shamanic ritual of the past mixed with pre-gregorian influence....Astoundingly deep, efficient, and beautiful musically...

All musical genres fusionned here in a minimalist style in plain control, inspired by one of the master of the young Glass, the blind street musician classically educated Moondog, the so called Viking of the 50 th street at N.Y.  Louis Thomas Hardin, friend of the young Glass and one of the creator of this "minimalist" style or at least a mentor of the young Glass....

No doubt here, Philip Glass is a great composer who will stay for the future history....

His Akhenaton is hypnotic and initiatic, transformative at the highest level...
I loathe no composers, or musicians, Ervin Nyiregyházi for example ,or any other musician 😊 even if i had my own taste, choices, or habits...Loathing reflect more about us than about the music itself....

And loving Glass dont impede my love for Mozart "Cozi fan tutte" for example...

Then if someone take the time to express loathing about something, new, unknown, and perhaps about something he is not curious or ready to discover, perhaps the loathing is less useful than he think....

I dont remember loathing any kind of musical genre, even heavy metal...

I loathe too much decibels though....

Must i erase my recommendation ? Yes if too much people here loathe it...

By the way i dont remember to take my time to wrote hard words about a recommendation of music here or elsewhere because it is not abolutely pure "delicacy" to my fragile and sensitive taste....I guess i can chew much than some....



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His Akhenaton is hypnotic and initiatic, transformative at the highest level...

In other words, it great if you have trouble falling asleep and want to take a quick nap.  

Cheers

In other words, it great if you have trouble falling asleep and want to take a quick nap.

Cheers
I am surprized that you had  put a link to every musical works possible in classical and jazz, ANYTHING mixed, and all keep you awake, BUT save Glass?


Is it a closed club here, or a friendly place to discover something new?

I am astounded by the "cold" reaction here....

To say the least....


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By the way i will listen satyagraha of Philip Glass this night....

Is it necessary to call for a poll survey of the club before i post about it here?

I will wait for the people answers....Before writing my next post....

The problem if i like this work, is that i cannot review it in the jazz thread either at risk to put some asleep there also ..


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There is no need for you to take it personally , I am not slighting you I am only saying that I loath him and I don’t expect you to like all the music I like. You site Mozart , can you honestly say that Philip Glass’s music is as good as Mozart’s or to take it even farther Bach !
I will go on to say that no modern composer can equal or better the quality or consistently the amount of music both Mozart or Bach wrote. Oh by the way I do not have delicate tastes I have been playing diverse musical instruments for many years. When I was young I played Bagpipes in a pipe band until I was twenty and at the same time I played classical guitar for 40 years along with the Renaissance Lute until my 60s when diabetes robbed me of my feeling in my fingers thereby making me stop playing and causing massive depressions for a number of years because it had robbed me of my greatest pleasure . I think I have earned the right to loathe one or two modern composers. Oh and I have listened to them as I have an enquiring mind and Qobuz and I still don't like them. Do not get me started on Stockhausen.
Hey, in this semi-modern era it's easy to search down whatever piece of music you're curious about and give it a couple minutes listen. I'm not saying, of course, that it's 100% okay to judge Glass or his generously scaled opera entirely from a brief encounter, but it will lend you at least a glimpse of the sound world that Glass creates. If you find that world to be inviting (and I'm confident you will), dip your toe in a bit more.
There is no need for you to take it personally ,
I will not call a one line post with no explanation with the words " i loath it" an especially friendly and polite reception... Usually when someone post something i dont like so much i dont take my time to only say i loathe it WITHOUT EXPLANATION...

You site Mozart , can you honestly say that Philip Glass’s music is as good as Mozart’s or to take it even farther Bach !
Your argument is ridiculous, no composer is beside Bach for me or over Mozart....Must we only speak about Beethoven, Mozart,Bach and no more about Scriabin, Sorabji or Busoni or other geniuses way smaller than Bach?

Then Glass being way less important than Bach or Monterverdi must stay in the closet?

I think I have earned the right to loathe one or two modern composers.
I dont like Stockhausen at all, but i will not wrote "a one line" loathing post against another poster who love him and take the time to explain why he love him...i will pounder his arguments and reflect about our different perspectives... It is called educated thinking...

Then dont confuse the right to your choices with politeness...It is a public thread or a closed private club?

And the ability to play an instrument dont give any more weight
to your post or opinion than to mine , because the ability to listen is not less important...

I will never take personal an explanation opposite to something i defend , but a one line loathing post is what? A personal attack, or if it is not one, it is mimiking one... At your age you certainly feel what i speak about without a necessary drawing...

If you need a drawing think about that :

Do you think that your one line loathing exercise give to me the taste to wrote about satyagraha tomorrow?





I welcome your thoughts about Satyagraha. 

*** I loathe no composers, or musicians, Ervin Nyiregyházi for example ,or any other musician 😊 even if i had my own taste, choices, or habits...Loathing reflect more about us than about the music itself....

And loving Glass dont impede my love for Mozart "Cozi fan tutte" for example... ***

An open mind to all music is the path to a deeper and more complete appreciation and understanding of the greatness of the truly great.

”The interest of the composer Philip Glass in Gandhi dates back to his first visit to India in 1966. In composing his second opera, Glass did not want to paint a historical portrait of Mahatma Gandhi. Instead, his intention was to use Gandhi’s involvement in South Africa in the years between 1893 and 1914 as an outline of current global political and religious problems. In South Africa, Gandhi formulated his thesis of passive resistance and civil disobedience known as “Satyagraha” or “dedication to the truth” as a reaction to discriminatory governmental measures aimed against the Indian portion of the population, such as the deprivation of voting rights.”
There is two people here who publicly say they loathe Wagner and Liszt.
I happen to love both those composers for the music they wrote but I hate Wagner as a human being so am I wrong to say that now?
Thanks i will wrote about satyagraha tomorrow or in next few days...

I am fascinated also by the person of Akhnaten and also Gandhi and for sure Einstein...

What is surprizing also is the fact that Glass has written operas about Kepler and Galileo...

I am fascinated by Kepler, because he was a true master astrologer amd not only one of the greatest modern astronomer...
He is an extraordinary mix of the modern consciousness of the individuated separated "i " and of the consciousness of the past participating " I"...

I want to know how the composer resolved and express all this mix in his music writing....

For Gandhi satyagraha i feel before listening to it that the composer will use "hypnotic" influence of Indian classical music which i love dearly...


Some people think that music must continue to 'evolve'.  And this is true.  Most things do evolve.   However, 'evolve' does not mean 'get better'.

No genre that I am aware of has always gotten better.  Some, like Classical are performed at a higher level than they were previously, but this is due to better recording technology, better trained players / conductors, better instruments in general... etc  but the compositions are not getting better.   Same applies to Jazz, Rock, Pop, Blues, spirituals, and others.  Remember, the Bell Curve still rules.

BTW, I said Glass put me to sleep because it really did.  :)

Cheers

Also, remember The Frogman's First Law.


Some people think that music must continue to ’evolve’. And this is true. Most things do evolve. However, ’evolve’ does not mean ’get better’.

No genre that I am aware of has always gotten better. Some, like Classical are performed at a higher level than they were previously, but this is due to better recording technology, better trained players / conductors, better instruments in general... etc but the compositions are not getting better. Same applies to Jazz, Rock, Pop, Blues, spirituals, and others. Remember, the Bell Curve still rules.

BTW, I said Glass put me to sleep because it really did. :)

Cheers

Also, remember The Frogman’s First Law.
Truly great post!

Thanks very much....

First i want to apologize to you because i read your past  post out of your context and place and misread it in my context and place...

I misread your intention, then i apologize....


Your post is really great observation...

Music in occidental consciousness history has evolved not toward always the best and the better ,sometimes for the less and the worst....It is particularly evident in our times...

The reason linked to this deep fact is a loss of creativity on the spiritual ground...

However in spite of these facts some geniuses stay hidden or veiled because their spirit participate more, of a relatively long history, or of a too much distant future...

Thanks for helping me understanding that.....

My deepest respect...
Also, remember The Frogman's First Law.
I know a "frogman" but i am embarassed to say that i dont know what frogman first law is...

Please if you may help me ?


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There is two people here who publicly say they loathe Wagner and Liszt.
I happen to love both those composers for the music they wrote but I hate Wagner as a human being so am I wrong to say that now?
Perhaps i overreacted reading your post jim

It is alas! my passionate temper again....and i think i was too much enebriated by this Glass opera i was just going out of it...

I sincerely apologize to you and i perfectly understand that between friends we are not in the obligation to think the same about any composer...

You are right on this....


My deepest respect to you....
@frogman -- I enjoyed my Nyiregyhazi Lizst LP for a good while but, yeah, he's not exactly for the long haul. As much as I love a bit of self-indulgence, he went a bit over the edge. And am I nuts, or did I actually see him live in L.A.? Maybe at the Ambassador Auditorium?
I'll chime in and report my love for the music of Philip Glass.  He is a great composer.  While his earlier works -- such as the operas Akhnaten and Satyagraha -- are perhaps his best-known, and I enjoy them, I particularly love later works, such as the opera Kepler.

Kepler is an astonishingly beautiful, rhythmically forceful and impactful opera. The CD of Kepler is well worth a listen -- it rocks!

Glass's opera Orphee is also one of my favorites.  It is based on Jean Cocteau's great film, Orpheus, but in my view, arguably surpasses the original (just as Verdi's Otello arguably surpasses Shakespeare's Othello).

Other great Glass works include his 8th Symphony, his cantata Itaipu, and his first violin concerto (get the Kremer version).  Much of his best work is unfortunately not available on Qobuz, but is readily available on CD.  I strongly recommend a 2017 recording streaming on Qobuz -- Vikingur Olafsson's record of Glass Piano Works.  
About 40 years ago I was taking a class from the foremost Philosopher
at the Sorbornne in Paris .

She said something I never forgot ." No one who has watched TV could
ever do what Mozart did "

Still makes sense to me . Imagine the digital brain !



I listened Satyagraha this night and i was not disappointed at all...

I dont know which one i prefer, i will say that Akhnaten seems more formally mature and i think was written 4 years after Satyagraha...

Anyway the music in Satyagraha is like in Akhnaten , incantatory, but at a level near gripping ectasy...

Then like meditation and silence could be boring to some, a ritual could be insupportable for unprepared listener... And to appreciate these operas we must see and lived immersed through them anyway...It is not works written to be evaluated at distance by esthetical values on a performance scale, it is a world revelatory of the deepest and the oldest stratas in the human mind.... It is way more intense work than only a merely beautiful work.... They are more like therapeutical catharsis....They dont move you by touching feeling only , they grip you completely at the level of the will...

Glass created here more than a mere "art" work but reach the level of Bach passions, which are way more than an exercise in musical style....A spiritual event is not a pleasurable distraction....( By the way here i dont say that Glass has the musical genius mastery  of Bach, no one have this mastery in occidental history for me,  i only say that this 2 works of Glass may be  impactful in the future  like Bach passions were in  traditional christianity, they own this potential)

History is throwd in the cosmos like in very ancient religion and is based on experience not on dogmas as much...This feeling of Akhnaten pervade also satyagraha... The force of the will here is a cosmic event not only a human free choice...

We must listen very carefully to appreeciate this opera which is thought to be like in Wagner, a worldwide event impactful ceremony, a bit like the spiritual musical ceremony to save the world in Scriabin idea ....

No direct use of classical Indian music permeate the work, instead a telluric inspiration coming more from very old rythms or hypnotic varying melopea remind me of pre-historical tales......

This music grip us and is designed to do so like in trance ceremony, or probably the rythm in ancient mysteries...

This music is created by Glass and suggest to me that the consciousness level of the artist put him on touch with the common spiritual ground of any religion : the pure experience of the sacred...

His operas , all of them, but i know just 2 for now,remind me of the "Passion genre" in occidental musical history....And after all Christ has revealed also the most intimate human experience with God on the world stage for ALL and each humans not for a few chosen one...Satyagraha is the " passion" for justice and freedom....

Glass made history with these 2 works....

It is not moving melodies who will stay in your ear, it is complete transformative ceremony designed to rewire the brain...


Music is not there to be loved only , like we love our most precious esthetic values and chosen love one or our childs...

Music is to be thought of like a "mystery at play" in our body and mind and soul, and we must wait for a new surprizing and sometimes troubling revelation each time ....Music teach us something and is not only an esthetical possession by our feeling, it is also an ethical an spiritual education of the will, a yoga... ...

But we must be ready...

I was ready to welcome Philip Glass....

This music is at the genius level of Wagner not so much by creating something ideologically "new" like in the Wagner purely "german" case, but by reinitializing ancient spiritual experience in the brain/heart stratas of all humans....

My best to all....
I know a "frogman" but i am embarassed to say that i dont know what frogman first law is...

The Frogman's first law states:
There is a perfectly good and logical reason for every situation you may find  as pertains to the music, the players, the composers, and their success / popularity, or lack thereof. 

For example, there is a reason why Mozart is Mozart, and old whats his name,  Stockhausen is Stockhausen.

There is a reason why The Marriage of Figaro is what it is, and why Satyagraha is what it is.

So there is no reason or room for argument.  

And to think, Mozart, Beethoven, Bach etc......   did it all without the help of paid mass media hype.

Cheers
Thanks for this illuminative and enlightened  explanation...

I like it a lot....
I enjoyed my Nyiregyhazi Lizst LP for a good while but, yeah, he’s not exactly for the long haul.
I think we must not judge E.N. on the same scale than most others contemporary pianists...

Sometimes a genius put the scale balance himself and created it and accept to be weighted only by his own standards...

Being a "romantic" player means, in the case of E.N. like it was for Liszt , of which he was almost a direct pupil, means i said, not a "rendition" of written music like it was written from the sheet information, not at all...

It means recreating the works for the TIME moment actually in process, to WORK and transform the listener soul and consciousness willing it or unwilling...

It is first an intense ceremony and it is a beautiful possible experience only in a secondary manner...

No intense ceremony can be produced WITHOUT to some level the active conscious/subconscious participation of the listener... If a beautiful object wait passively there to be seen for example, a loving woman need an active embrace...Love is not an esthetical experience only...

E.N. passionnately hated with all the power of his soul concert touring, his abandonning of his carreer and the paying price is testimony for that...He never practice nor even own a piano for decades...He afford one when he can between his 10 wifes he must successfully feed before paying for a decent room with a piano.... He lives a life of misery and glory at the same time... We must read about his life to understand😊

A sacred ceremony cannot be a concerts string of repeated same works.... E.N., like Liszt was, according to the history and legend, way more than a pianist reproducing some work, it was a theurge recreating the link between God and man....

Then comparing him to the average great pianist is meaningless...A volcanic eruption does not compared to a mountain so great the mountain is....

It is easy to point to some " imperfections" of his playings... But to repeat a great french poet René Char, "imperfection is the peak"....No one ever played at the end of a broken chain, with so much power at his own risk...NONE....

Like seeing an angel is terrible, and was, saying Rilke, like seeing "death",listening E.N. is not at times tasting a beautiful piece at all...It is being transformed by the event, willing or unwilling, by going for it or going back with contempt and fear or hate away from it.... So is God or a volcanic eruption, some throw themselves in the crater others panicked or only careful and cautious go back and retreat in more pacified water....
Here is sacred music that many a man has died with .
To include my great -great grandfather who died playing same in 1915.

https://youtu.be/pTng7Y2jqWI
Never did this before , but just made the best buy in my 50 years in audio.
Crutchfield is selling KEF 150’s at $350, these wear a great buy at normal
$550.
I bought them because for 20 years I always had KEF’s .Hardly need more speakers .
Bought these little pups on Friday , Crutchfield sent them UPS on OVERNIGHT , no cost !
Had them up noon here, Listening to some great Phil Woods right now and these
tiny pups are filling a 21/14 room with my Croft 45w amp .

A bit harsh on top but sweet on mids and clean at 60 bass .
And that’s with 30 minute break-in . One thing I don’t like is they seem to not use banana’s . They are well built and jazz seems to be their wheel-house .

Just thinking someone else could use them .(not mine )  .
Congrats Len , give them a bit of time and you will love them.
Scotland the Brave forever, Slangevar, Jim.