hi guys,
someone of you has compared CMR vs MR ?
what are the sound deifferences ?
thank you |
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erik, what do you mean when you write:
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the failing of the MR caps was at the larger end of the spectrum".
... that with the MR sound all bigger than should be ?...the instruments are very bigger and don't have their real life dimension ?
the presentation goes very far from real position of loudspeakers ? |
we wait your review on CMR compared with MR
;) |
thank you erik,
we wait your review when cmr will hase a good burn in....i know that they need at least 200 hours.
about the more extention do mean hights or bass or both ?
if is only on higths this may be critic on metal dome tw or more open tw
do you agree? |
so, from these few hours of burn-in the cmr seems to have a mid-high more prominent and
rough
than mr which seems to be more warm and relaxed sound.
go on with burn-in, but i think the family sound you found is that....
i hope the thing go better in next hours |
shortly could you describe mundorf silver oil compared to mr ? |
erik,
you write: "
Very smooth, glass like quality to mid and top octaves, but there’s also a scintillation or over-saturation of colors in the mid to top. It’s not unpleasant, but it’s NOT natural. Real sounds and instruments don’t sound like this"
What caps you are referring to ? |
ok, so claritycap cmr (not jet burned), sound similar to mundorf suopreme line?
so, util now mr seems to be the most "natural"? |
@audioman58
so you compared cmr aganist supreme silver oil or normal supreme ?
if i understand right after 160 hours cmr are better than mr, right ?
because i listened the same thing of erik: in the highs freq cmr are congested
how many hours do you suggest to start linsten the cmr ?
please explain beter, thank you
@erik_squires
you say that now the cmr top end is opened up, not congested as before.
are you sure ?, how many hours are burned the cmr |
what’s change in sound after decent burn-in?
the highs congested emphasys go away or not ?
tha cmr comparison you have done is against mundorf silver oil ? |
@audioman58
does the accuracy of cmr could be result too much (as erik said) or sterile sounding?
the detail you write in comparison with mundorf silver oil is more or less?
which is warmer between the two ?
i also find mundorf silver oil the best of mundorf production, i love them, but i have not done comparison versus MR or better CMR, and you ?
@erik_squires
regarding imaging i find CMR more stable then MR.
with MR the instruments go everywhere in the room and have giant dimensions
i suggest you to compare the caps on both speakers: compare them only in one channel is a great error
this is a suggestion on my eperience.
on one channel is easy but not right :)
-->At the end i would konw if when these CMR are burned-in are sterile/hyperdetailed cap.
i like very much mundorf silver oil, does CMR close to them ?
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@audioman58
could you answer to my questions of my last message ?
"the CMR detail you write in comparison with mundorf silver oil is more or less?
which is warmer between the two ?
i also find mundorf silver oil the best of mundorf production, i love them, but i have not done comparison versus MR or better CMR, and you ?"
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@audioman58
do you read my message ?, or you don’t answer because my question is too stupid ?
i don't waste your time :) |
Sorry if I steal you of precious time :(
which, is better balanced across the board?, the silver oil or CMR ?
as i said i like very much the silver/oil timbre, so i'm scared that if i'll try CMR it has highs freq. forward than siver/oil
wgat is your point of view?
p.s.
i don't understand how mail you. |
@timlub
i quote you
you centered the question :) |
@erik_squires
don't forget to completly burn-in CMR and then with "zen calm" compare it to MR.
We look forward to knowing your response.
Suggestion:
some caps need very long listening trial before understand tonal characteristics :) |
someone has tested the ESR of CMR vs Mundorf SUPREME ? |
@erik_squires
very rude and demanding ???
Do you mean me?
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excuse me audioman58, i don’t waste your time but to me is not clear the comparison with mundorf supreme silver oil.
i would know if silver oil has more highs freq emphasis than the CMR.
then, no other answers about this :) |
yes erik i suggest you to spent more time on listen the new timbre of CMR.
you know well that everything is new need time to be metabolized before take a decision.
take care to listen, because i don’t find CMR cooler then MR
about my point of view CMR is more complete cap and smoother than MR that in comparison seems to lesser form the bass to the high
the MR has a loudness presentation, the CMR has all the things at their real place.
the dynamic of CMR is very very greater than MR
sometime the CMR is warmer and with more body than MR
the bass of MR are less dynamic and less articulate, so this sometime you could perceive more bass then CMR but is axactly inverse
the bass of CMR go lower then MR
the high of are smoother then MR but with more mid and body
but i don’t want tell you anymore :)
keep us updated |
hi dave,
the CMR takes around 200h for break-in and the MR ?
when both (CMR & MR) are broken-in which of the two have more improvement in sound ?
On what model
(CMR or MR)
the biggest changes appear ?
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yes CMR is more revelating cap them MR, but "paradoxically", but with grace and nuance. |
These are again my better impressions:
Probably no one will interrupt, but I would like to tell you that bypassing a capacitor with a very small value could create a phase-shift that could cause a "fake" warm timbre; This is measured.
My impression on CMR is that it is warmer, full bodied, with a lot of nuance and complete range frequency than MR.
MR is a loudness cap with lesser dynamic range that gives you only the impression of warmth, but in long time listening is excactly the opposite.
i suggest you to do long listening that’s a complete track with MR and than the same track with CMR.
i don’t understand why you listen CMR cooler then MR, probably is your tweeter, i don’t know why.
i have also Mundorf silver/oil and is the cooler of the three.
probably i'm wrong, but i hope someone else who tried CMR respond.
please let us know :) |
thank you erik.
a question: in the bass region MR vs CMR ?
you report high freq fatigue from CMR, but the ovreall timbre between both ? |
i'm referring to bass perception due the the hith freq of CMR in comaprison to MR |
thes are my consoderarations:
Time will give us other opinions of other people, anyway the CMR is a complete cap, has everything he needs to have.
has less listen fatigue than MR, but first of all when you listen MR seems miss something in entire freq range.
the MR has a kind of phase shift in comparison with CMR
also CMR has more full bodied timbre than MR.
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In virtue of what eric asserts, I took the clarity cap MR and CMR, and I re/started to make a serious break-in.
This is why, before eric posted his impressions on claritycap CMR I kept the steareo off for work reasons for a long time.
So I figured maybe my impressions were to a less-trained ear and to the capacitors with different hours of break-in.
so i hope as soon as possible, if i’ll have enough time, to post my impressions (seriously than now :) )
i apologize for this ;) |
@audioman58
mundorf silver oil are not paper in oil but pp in oil.
mundorf silver oil are very unnatural sound and resolution including soundstage.
mundorf silver oil has a strange body that’s flown midbass
all mundorf caps compared to claritycap have a strenge little compression that seems give you more spacial reproduction.
all my impressions are in comparing mundorf silver oil to claritycap ESA
I suggest to be careful with the shiny sounds and with special effects.
IMHO
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I’m sorry to tell you but you use mundorf capacitors and do not know how they are done.
they are polypropylene silver in oil: If you do not believe me ask someone else, or better directily to mundorf.
if you like mundorf sound you will continue to use them to have special effects to sound, but they are not natural.
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i respect for thoughts, but all mundorf productions are not life like.
mundorf sound is artificial, may be also please, but not in my case.
IMHO |
upgrade:
unfortunately the CMR capacitors I was testing were from a friend of mine who wants them back, so I can not continue my tests because I should buy two, but for a test I can not spend too much money.
i'm sorry. |
