CDs And Green Markers. Please Don’t Laugh.


I’m sorry. I apologize. If anything has been done to death, it’s this. And yet . . . 

I was pulling “Darkness On The Edge Of Town” out of my CD player the other day and wondering if Bruce had really made peace with his father when I noticed the edge of the disc was green. Looking through my collection, I found a bunch of them so marked. “Let It Be” by The Replacements. “Murmur.” Stuff that came out during the brief period after the introduction of the CD and before the green pen became an embarrassment. 

I should give a quick kudos to the albums that have survived countless culling that keeps my active collection at about 500 discs. Discs that are easily stored because I always take the discs and printed media out of the ridiculous plastic “jewel” cases and put them in DiscSox, an invention I can’t believe has been overlooked by the Nobel committee. 500 discs fits into five trays from Office Depot and the whole collection takes up about 16x30 inches and the height of a CD. I can’t imagine living with the original packaging. 

I never A/B’ed any of the albums with the green marking. Never looked into the science of the green pen. Back in the day, it was cheap, it was easy, and it was supposed to work. Why not try it? When it became a laughingstock, I stopped. 

But like skinny ties, I assume that green markers have come in and out of vogue many times since 1982. I love a good tweak and wonder if anyone has justified the use of the green marker. I’m not looking far a scientific explanation. Herbie’s Super Black Hole actually works but without anything close to a reason for doing so. I’d be thrilled if the same was true if green pens. 

Besides, those looking for science in audio forums should familiarize themselves with a priori reasoning, and the problems attendant upon it. 

Where have I gone? Why so much wandering? Is it because the initial question is so stupid? Still, I’d like to know: Has anything happened since, say, 1985, that would make greening the edge of CDs sensible?

If not, I promise to apologize and slink quietly back into the darkness.

paul6001

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I didn’t see any line drawings so I wonder if you went to the right site. 
 

Entering disc sox takes you to mmdesign.com. The company has diversified wildly, probably because there’s only so much money that you can make from selling 6” plastic sleeves. 
 

On the list of products, find “Music CD Storage.” Click more info. At the bottom of the next page you’ll find “CD Standard Plus Sleeves.” $8.95 for 25  That’s all you need  They sell lots of fancier versions that I’ve never tried but I’m guessing are more trouble than they’re worth  

 

You do need something to hold the CDs, though  As I said, Office Depot (now the Late Office Depot?) sold perfectly sized metal racks. The DiscSox racks are probably fine, I just haven’t tried them. 
 

i have absolutely no affiliation with the company  For 20 years I’ve been stunned at what a lousy packaging CDs have traditionally been packed in, and what a simple, elegant solution DiscSox are. Discovering them was a life changing—not to mention space saving—event.

 

Dill, I’m sorry but I don’t understand your post. “Not to those who never tried it.” Because those people don’t understand the beauty of green edged CDs? They don’t know the aural beauty that could be theirs? They haven’t seen the double blind, peer reviewed study from MIT that gushed over the power of the green marker?”
 

Is that what you were trying to say?

As I wrote earlier, I’m a reformed Armor-All user. The 1980s must have been a bull market for audio tweaks because besides the green pen and AA, I also followed a rumor that plain ol’ dishwashing detergent was another sound booster. I diligently washed every new CD I bought. Of all of the tweaks, I thought Dawn or Ivory Liquid or whatever my mother had on hand was the best of ‘em. But eventually I quit them all. My skeptical, cynical personality was forming—a career in journalism would solidify it—and I had no time for such unscientific antics.

 

Indirectly, however, I have continued to use dishwashing detergent. When one of my discs develops a skip, it makes a trip to the kitchen sink. After a good rubdown, 99 percent of the problems disappear.

 

(I’ve seen advice on this site that discs should be washed in a radial manner, starting at the center and moving outwards. I believe that this is an example of one of the core beliefs in audio: Whatever is the most trouble sounds the best. Vinyl instead of CDs, manual instead of auto, CD players that require two boxes instead of one. Trust me, the same thing happens no matter which way the sponge hits the disc.)

 

Anyway, I’m playing discs that have been coated in something like the way that buddyboy’s have. And they’ve always sounded better after a good scrubbing. Not enough to risk ridicule, not enough to overcome my inborn skepticism, but a nagging feeling that comes back whenever I wash a disc.

 

Maybe buddyboy has pushed me over the hump. Maybe he is providing me enough support to risk mockery. Besides, who has to know? It can be a secret between the Armor-All and me. And the small group reading this thread.

 

I think that AA will last longer than dish soap. One bottle will probably last a lifetime. Maybe tomorrow will be the dawning of a new era. I’ve been making upgrades for the past year and so many things I once thought were frauds have proved true. Speaker cables. Burn-in. The Super Black Hole was the leap over the moon. None of those phenomenon have been sufficiently explained to me but that hasn’t stopped any of them from being true. Buddyboy and I are leading a charge into a new world. Who’s with us? LET’S GO!

 

[Bluto charges from the room. No one follows.]

 

Now I sound like the crank, but I just can’t help myself. Like virtually every thread on this site, this thread has degenerated into a priori or a posteriori thinking. Would-be physicists take a result—or, in this case, more likely an imagined result—and work backward to develop a theory that explains it.


Real science is supposed to work the other way around. That’s why a flotilla of physicists around the world are still busy at work trying to find empirical evidence for Einstein’s theories. 

Life changing, right? I don’t know what I would do if I had to stack up those plastic boxes. It’s a mystery why everyone hasn’t changed. The “jewel case” was invented by an assistant manager in the shipping department at Sony in 1979 and we’ve been stuck with it ever since. It’s like 35mm film. A hundred years ago, guy who started Leica designed it to shoot in an unwieldy 2x3 format and photographers have been cropping ever since. Kudos to Apple for inching towards something better. 

I don’t know about you but even after 1,000 discs I still feel gratified every time I put everything into a DiscSock and toss the plastic box.