Cary V-12 blowing capacitors


Hi,

I have a pair of Cary V12 monoblocks one of which is blowing capacitors. It was initially sent in to cary as it was the 3 Amp fuses. They initially replace the capacitors and sent it back. It worked briefly and then started blowing fuses again. It went back to Carrie and this time they replaced both transformers. It did work for a couple of weeks but yesterday when I turn it on and was in the standby mode I heard a crackling noise from inside the amp and 3 amp fuse blew again. There was a large puddle of oil in the back of the amp which is from the capacitor. So it seems like something is still not repaired correctly which is causing the capacitors to blow which maybe is why the fuses are blowing. With it being to cary twice and they are not really sure what's happening has anyone else had this issue?
whataboutbob1

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@whataboutbob1 There is a good point made in the posts immediately above. Since this cap failed its probably a good idea to have them all changed- in both amps.

Cary, IMO, owes you the repair on this one. Based on what they told you they had a serious misdiagnosis, on something that should have been rote.

"Its pure speculation, but adding the new components could have stressed out the older UCC’s. I don’t know for sure, but it’s quite possible. The original power transformer that was in it had a direct short and could have caused the UCC’s to stress."



Does that sounds like a reasonable explanation?

@whataboutbob1 

No- its the other way around.The failing filter cap drew enough current that the old power transformer eventually failed (a short is a typical failure in this case). Since they didn't replace the filter cap, with the new transformer (which apparently is a bit more robust) it was able to sustain its current- and the defective filter cap overheated and leaked.


Just so you know, the mechanism of filter cap failure is that when they get old enough, they can draw a little bit of current (normally the draw none of their own at all). This current causes the cap to warm up. As it does so it will draw more current. The insidious thing about this is it might take quite a while before the cap is drawing enough current to cause damage- but in the meantime the transformer is running hotter and hotter until eventually the insulation inside melts and it shorts.

he said the only way for them to explode is if they were wired with reverse polarity.
This statement as you can now see is false. It is true that if you wire them backwards they'll draw a lot of current and explode. Usually they do that pretty fast. But if the part has failed it can do this as well- the difference being that it usually takes longer.


IMO/IME they should have replaced the filter cap at the time they replaced the power transformer. Transformers should last decades- the only die if overstressed, and filter caps can do that to them. Any competent tech that saw a failure like that would have been asking why it happened and looking for the cause.
It looks like a filter capacitor failed (the one with the screw terminals). If this was replaced earlier, I would expect that it is covered by warranty. If it was not replaced earlier, one would question why they replaced some coupling caps and not the filter cap, after 20 years it would be suspect. A failing filter capacitor can damage the power transformer feeding it. This is well-known; if the power transformers were replaced then the filter cap would have automatically been considered suspect.


It looks like that is the only damage, other than cleaning up the mess.

Send the amp back to Cary and have them fix it under warranty. I expect they honor their work; give them that chance.