I've been using the 805's for 2-1/2 years and have been very happy with them. I still think there one of the great amps out there. You can change the sound a bit by changing input tubes which can make it sound a little soft or not. I've read were others say there's no magic to the 805's. Are you listening to magic or music??? If you don't like what you hearing with these amps, then you've got problems further up the chain. These amps have wonderful highs,mids,and lows. They may not be the very best in all aspects of sound, but there pretty dam close. You can take that to the "bank"!!!!