Cartridge azimuth adjustment using a voltmeter and a test lp


Hello all,
I know that azimuth adjustment comes up often as do the various methods to get it right- or close to right.  I have been doing a lot of reading on the subject and I realize that using a voltmeter with a test lp has its flaws vs using other techniques that use sophisticated instruments and magnification to physically determine if the stylus is perpendicular to the record surface.  Nonetheless I would like try using a voltmeter to see how this compares to how I have the cartridge currently set up- but I have a question:
The generally accepted method is to use the amplifier output terminal to measure the voltage output of the test lp- but would it be a problem to measure the voltage at the speaker terminals?  Even with the interaction of the speaker cables the voltage variation at the amp terminal vs the speaker terminal should be very minor.  But I have seen in some posts that some suggest it is better (or necessary) to measure at the amp terminals.  Why?
Arguably, if cable and other circuit interference were such an issue then it would make more sense to measure the voltage at the tonearm terminal for the phono cables, assuming the voltmeter has the necessary range to measure such a low voltage output.

The reason I ask is that reaching behind my amps, pass labs xa60.5 mono's, would be a real pain and if the measurement has to be taken at the amp output I would like to understand why.

Many thanks for your advice.

System: Thiel 3.7's, or Magico S1 mk1,  Pass Labs xa60.5 mono's, Vinnie Rossi LIO preamp (slagle AVC passive mode) or Prima Luna Dialogue Premium preamp, Moon 280 Dac, PS Audio Stellar phono, VPI Aries 1 turntable/JMW 10 tonearm with Lyra Delos cartridge, Nordost Heimdall 2 cabling.
pgastone

Showing 3 responses by lewm

mrubey, Most cognoscenti (and I don't count myself as one) would say that using a mono LP is not the way to adjust azimuth.  Centering the image is mostly the result of achieving equal channel balance, and the goal of azimuth adjustment is to minimize crosstalk. While azimuth does also affect channel balance, it does not do so by much, and changing azimuth is not the optimal way to ameliorate differences in output, one channel vs the other.  Conversely, using a mono LP to center the image is not necessarily going to get you to minimal crosstalk.
Pgastone, having written so much about how to adjust azimuth electronically, which is to say so that the measured crosstalk from one channel to another is minimized, I have come in my old age to agree with Mijostyn in that the net benefit of just having the stylus sit squarely in the groove is greater than the net benefit of minimizing crosstalk, if it means positioning the stylus tip asymmetrically in the groove. So I no longer mess around with ways to measure crosstalk.
"The generally accepted method is to use the amplifier output terminal to measure the voltage output of the test lp- but would it be a problem to measure the voltage at the speaker terminals?" 

I'm wondering where that idea came from.  It certainly has the potential of giving you some sort of answer, but I have never heard of that method (measuring at the amp output).  Also, keep in mind that you are trying to minimize channel to channel crosstalk, not channel balance.  If you measure at any point beyond the cartridge itself, you run the potential of being deceived by any channel imbalance downstream from the cartridge, as you seem to realize.  Best to do it at the phono cable.  Problem with that is the extremely low voltage of the signal at that point.  This is why we have the Fozgometer and similar devices to add amplification as close as possible to the source. Even really good voltmeters do not have the sensitivity to set azimuth direct from the cartridge, unfortunately. That's to set azimuth electrically. The opposite philosophy is to square up the cartridge with respect to the groove, which will give you a mechanical azimuth adjust.