Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil


I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

volleyguy
If anyone happens to have a pair of 4.7uf VSF or Cast they'd like to part with, I'd be interested.
Dave, I saw a picture of your SCD-1 and I’m impress about the amount of work you have done to it, looks nice. You really like batteries:-)

I have seen & seriously compare other modded scd-1/scd-777 with add-in modules to bypass the analog stage and I honestly was not impress with the sound quality for the amount of money this boards cost. Don’t get me wrong they do change the sound quality from the stock components but to my ears it was not pleasant.

The audio board on these sony models is well designed and as I mentioned before, in my experience, changing key stock electronic components is all it takes to make these players to deliver a sound quality to the level of any player costing over 15K. I always recommend putting most of your money on the entire audio signal path components (from the RF board to main board and to the last output wire (silver wire) on the audio board, of course there are other areas that need improvement.

Last year I purchased a used SCD-777 just in case I ever need spare parts, the previous owner have upgraded this player with Allen W. level 6 mod and while it did sound good compared to the stock components but I can not justify spending the asking price for the modules, I think they are extremely over priced.

BTW I noticed that you have the SC4 on your player, I used to have it too. If you are interested I can recommend a better clock module. The only issue might be that I live in Europe.
Face,I have done this comparison (I also included V-Caps) and the Duelund VSF & the V-Caps are the winners. If you can get the CAST, go for it and be prepared for a whole new natural sound. For me and many other people with very demanding ears, the CAST is the very best.

Enjoy your comparison. I had a lot of fun doing it.
Felix, Always good to hear from someone who knows how good a modded SCD-1 can be. I have not heard the drop-in analog modules such as VSE, ModWright, etc., but rather have developed my own approach in combination with ideas from Ref Audio Mods, Allen Wright, and Zanden. After many iterations beyond initial step of component-for-component piece-part substitutions, I am happy with a transformer-coupled analog stage with just two TX2575 resistors in signal path(which replace two inferior stock Sony SMD resistors that none of the other modders touch), one battery-powered monolithic buffer, and no coupling caps, discrete op amps, or other active or passive components in signal path. In the stock analog circuit there are dozens of devices in signal path that color sound in addition to the coupling caps. Moreover, the analog stage accounts for less than one-third of the net improvement of mods performed throughout the player.

IMO, the problem with this Duelund thread is that even if Duelund makes the best caps in the galaxy, in most applications, taking a systems approach that deals with other weak links in the chain will produce superior sonic results for less money. At Duelund prices, I am happy to use the world's next best coupling cap, and focus on other areas. Coupling caps, of course, are easy to replace and compare-- which may account for their cult-like following.

As to aftermarket clocks for Sony, I've thought about Ultraclock, and will email you directly regarding other options.
Dave I take it by what say on system approach you are still not convinced that the crossover is (and according to Steen always will be) the weakest link in the system. You are not convinced 50% of your speaker $ and 25% of system $ should be in the passive crossovers.

I am not argueing just curious as even I admit until I heard the difference from VSF (which was the then king of caps) to CAST no one could have convinced me all the noise that was still left with even VSF.

After hearing the difference I am a Steen believer that there was/maybe still is MASSIVE gains to be made in the passive crossover caps in noise reduction.

After what I am hearing about the CAST in electronics as soon as I can figure out which tube amp to use that is an area I am going to be going. I can not even imagine how they will sound compared to worn out vintage foil caps? I expect massive noise reduction.

I have a gut feeling from what I have read from Steen (no plastic in the chain) a vintage amp with vintage tubes because of the no plastic in the output trannies and point to point wiring and CAST coupling caps for the super natural quiet sound. What do you guys think crazy? Still sticking to foil like the original in the amp but I am sure the CAST are MILES, and MILES quieter. I do see they make 400v VSF's now. A more affordable option