Can a tube amp be damaged by a speaker switch?


Help please from the tech crowd.

I had a room with two systems....one for audio and one for TV. The audio is a Leben tube amp into Altec Valencia speakers. The TV is a Marantz receiver into a group of five budget small speakers. My goal was to use just the Valencia's for both amps because the big Altec's are so much easier to hear dialogue on the tv. I also want to clear up wire clutter in a cramped cabinet. 

My solution was a Luxman AS-55 speaker switch which a very high quality unit designed to allow 3 speakers and one amp, or in reverse setup, three amps and one set of speakers. During set up, I had a question and called the Luxman US manager who picked up the call and was so gracious with his expertise. Great service. The problem is after hearing my questions he said..." we do not recommend using a switch with a tube amp as running tubes without a load can damage the amp...even break it. 

I can use the switch if the the tube amp is turned on only when running into the speakers. The problem with that is the Leben really needs a good half hour to warm up and I would like to do that while watching tv. It will make it cumbersome to switch back and forth between the two. 

Eliminating the Luxman AS-55 switch and just using two sets of speaker wires is an option, but I really do not want to have to plug and unplug the bananas on my Audience cables as that can only hurt them and its a hassle. Im also worried about potential damage to the Altec's with two amps hooked up. 

My question is for the experienced tube users. How much risk am I running if I use the Luxman switch as I intended? Can it really damage the amp or is the Luxman rep exageratting the risk for laibility reasons. What is the potential damage?

 

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What is the potential damage?

If the load accidentally disconnected from the tube amp while playing, The inductance of the output transformer will produce a large fly-back voltage, this is lethal for components in the amp, it can damage the output tube or will arc across the output transformer primary winding and burn it up.

One solution is to install a 100Ω 5-10W wire wound resistor on each channel of the tube amplifier output terminals. This will always load the tube amplifier, but it will also take away some of the output power since it’s in parallel with the speaker.
 
The problem with that is the Leben really needs a good half hour to warm up and I would like to do that while watching tv.
My solution was to use a high quality 4P3T MBB rotary switch and only use a dummy load on the amp with no speakers connected. This circuit design allows both amplifiers to be powered ON at all times.
 
 
 

This is amplifier dependent. Almost all solid state amplifiers are stable into no load, but not all tube amps were.

Check with the vendor.

Yes! Almost all solid state amplifiers are stable at no load, except those without a Zobel network at the output!

https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zobel-or-no-zobel.120748/

In _all_ cases you must ensure that the switches used are "break before make." That is, they open completely before making the next connection. The alternative, make before break, can be disastrous for any amplifier.

Depending on the design, a 3 position MBB (make before break) can be used with a dummy load to ensure that the amplifier is always connected to the load when switching.

https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/tube-amp-compatible-a-b-c-switch-design-considerations.389692/

If a speaker becomes disconnected (cat/dog/ferret whatever) while playing music and it's not noticed you have the same damaging scenario - stuff happens.

Installing a 100Ω 5-10W wire wound resistor on each channel of the tube amp output terminal is insurance against accidents.

I actually have a Leben and during the course of modding it, one night I accidentally left the dummy load off and ran pink noise. Next morning..I freaked out...yet, no problem with it at all.

Many commercial tube amp can survive without load connected if not driven into clipping. However, a general rule of thumb is to always load a tube amp while running to prevent potential damage.

 

 

The Octave Audio amplifier is not a traditional tube amplifier design, it uses protection circuitry to protect its output from low impedance or short circuits, eliminates multi-tap speaker terminals, and behaves more like a solid state amplifier than a tube amplifier!