Can a Amp be "timeless" and compete with todays amps?


I’ve been into hi resolution audio for 20+ years, well longer than that but acquired high quality gear about that time. I veered off into other interests for 15 years but still had my system sitting idle in it’s dedicated room. I became interested in it again 6 months ago and began to update it. I still have my Rega Planar 25 table and a Dragon phono stage.  I retained my CEC TL1 transport, but replaced my DAC with a Dinafrips Venus II, I also have the Hermes DDC which I feed my CEC into as well as my Cambridge Streamer. I sold my Genesis V speakers because they were having an issue with the left channel bass and since they were out of business I had no way to fix them, it was over my head. I found someone that wanted them and was willing to repair them himself. (he is very happy with them) I replaced them with some Goldenear Triton 1.r’s which I love. So here is the nostalgia part. I still have my VAC Cla 1 Mk II pre amp and my VAC Renaissance 70/70 Mk II amp. I feel they still hold up well sonically, so my thoughts are to send them both to VAC for the Mk III updates this fall of 2022, which includes replacing any necessary parts and "voicing" them back to new as intended when they were first made. I really believe these pieces are worthy of the restoration, are newer pieces today really going to make much headway? I cannot afford to replace these items with "like" items as I am retired and the discretionary income isn’t there anymore. I just feel like they are still really good and offer a very high quality sound. I mean 8- 300 B tubes can’t be all that bad can they? I’ve voiced the pre amp with with Telefunken 12AX7’s and I have a small stash of them. Tube sound is still great right?

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As another data point, my Ampsandsound Nautilus is modeled after the Harman Kardon Citation 2 which was introduced in 1959. Granted it is not my main speaker  amplifier (I bought it to use as a headphone amp) but when driving my Devore O/93's the sound is different than but just as good as my ARC Ref 150 SE. Your VAC's after a refresh will be right up there with the best of modern anps, imho. 

@teo_audio 

As a lawyer I mediate a lot. It sometimes results in settlement of the pending litigation. The word you are looking for in your spiritual search is "meditation". Also, that is one weird and non-specific post you got there!

 

OK Ralph, so you are ditching everything you have espoused (if not self-promoted) on this forum for twenty years in order to go all-in to self-promote your new Class D amps. Fine. Let history be the judge! Over 60 years time has proven that the basics continue to be valid and that the newest ground breaking production is two steps forward and three steps back. So go ahead and make a fool of yourself. I will sit back and eat popcorn. With extra butter. 

What this means is its possible to build a solid state amp that is every bit as smooth in the mids and highs as the best tube amps and leave nothing on the table in terms of detail, sound stage and the like, in such a way that vintage amps simply cannot compete (not that they sound bad, just they don’t sound as good). This is one of those things that is easy to hear and easy to measure.

Bruno Putzeys wrote a wonderful article on feedback.

For example in a class D amp that is self-oscillating,

C'mon folks, apply a little critical reading and thinking skills. Read and see what is clearly between the lines. While I had always admired Ralph and thanked him for his participation here (though disagreeing with his continued insistence that higher cartridge loading is always best unless RFI interferes and that correspondingly, RFI is the chief factor upon which cartridge loading should be chosen), there is clearly a theme here towards promotion of his Class D amps. I have to wonder how a customer of Atma-Sphere who just paid 20K+ for a pair of the MA-1's a month ago must feel when it's principal proclaims his own product to be by nature inferior to his new solid state alternative. 

And I am also surprised and even angry at myself to only now notice that Ralph is so reliant upon that which can be measured. 

@larryi 

Great post. I wish you could hear my Ampsandsound Nautilus which is a modern recreation of the HK Citation II. It puts out 8 watts of SE triode. The amp is overbuilt to the extreme. It is perhaps half the size of my ARC Ref 80S and yet weighs the same. I wish you could hear it not because I have any reason to believe it is any better or even as good as your low powered amps but because your impression would be interesting given your library of knowledge and amps.