Hi audiolabyrinth.Thanks for your comment.Your's will be a very interesting post.I will be waiting for it.I'll write further conclusions reaching the 200 hous of use.Cheers!Raf. |
I'm getting both the furutech GTX-D Rhodium and the Gold, I will report my findings after 500 hours of burn-in on the two different versions, cheers. |
congrats Rafael0054, keep the reports coming, cheers. |
Hi dear fellows.After 100 hours of listening the FI-11-N1 gold connector my system opened up!!It got far better resolution, more depth in soundstage, 2nd voices are clear, the bass is well defined, there is more extention and dinamics.Now I can listen much more info and I realized what I was loosing in my earlier listenings with the same cds.Incredible!!!It is so true how much these connectors improve with the use.In my experience this burning process takes at least 100 hours.There is a big change between the listening of 50hours and this one.I will tell you if I notice further improvements in more hours.But at the moment I am amazed of the performance of tbese connectors. For me they are from another planet hehe!!Cheers!Raf |
Hi michel, that was a very good post you did and helpful, currently, I have many E-mailing me and posting to me there opinions for very high-current solid state use for GTX-D out lets, for some odd reason, the Rhodium is killing the Gold with responses with this topic, I am doing my best to get a direct answer with my very important question about the mid-range and vocals, sound stage placement in general, LOL!, no one has accomidated this answer period, cheers. |
Hi Audiolabyrinth, I use Fi-11 Gold on Preamp MC2300 with a great result. I got a Transparent PLMM PC that I changed connectors to Fi-11N1 Gold. This cord is used to feed a Tara Labs PM2 (power conditioner) from the wall. Preamp is connected to this PC with Dynamic Design Lotus Mk3 w/Fi-11N1 Gold (I changed original Rhodium to Gold).
As for Amp, it is a BAT Vk-600SE which needs two Power cords. I use a Transparent PL Super (the old one with Brass connectors!) from Wall to Tesla Powercell 4. I use another Tara labs Ad6 (power conditioner) connected to Powercell 4 via DD mk3 with Fi-11 Rhodium. My amp is connected to this Tara labs Ad6 using two Customer Power Cord Company (CCPC) TopGun. This CCPC ToPGun is an excellent power cord, some criticized it for lack of High Frequencies, but with this setup, I could hear the tiniest detail on HF with an excellent Soundstage and clarity on all frequency ranges also having a strong bass. It all depends to setup. My Cd player is also connected to this Tara Labs Ad6. I use a Dynamic Design Challenger power cord having Fi-11 Gold. My interconnect cables are Audioquest SKY and speaker cables are Audioquest Meteor.
Generally speaking Fi-11 Gold, is more suitable for my system. my second setup is different! I did try Male Rhodium/ IEC Gold and the inverse too, but I ended up to use same Metal for Male/IEC. It depends to power cord materials.
To achieve a pleasant system proper to his/her taste of hearing, One needs to try different configurations with Power conditioners (cascading) and different power cords. It takes a lot of time/effort, however results would certainly be satisfying. Buying a power cord based on reviews is not a reasonable decision, economically speaking and sound quality wise! my taste/experience could be different compared others...
cheers,
Michel |
which furutech GTX-D puts the vocals further into the room and sound fuller? |
Hi Michelzay, are you useing the Rhodium on your amp?, or the Gold?, is your amp solid state or tube? |
I have one PC with rhodium on male end and gold on IEC. |
Thankyou Rafael0054, sounds like it's better than the Rhodium on your system, yes, I look forward to more of what you have to say, cheers. |
Hello dear fellows.After 50 hours of listening the FI- 11 N1 gold I noticed many improvements in sound performances:The dark backgound is more evident, modulation in voices appeared, strings sounds not just lke strings but also with the sound of the body of instruments( ex.guitars, double bases etc)Overall speaking is a more relaxed listening, with much more deails and there is a sense of presence in music.So up to now I`m very satisfaid with these connectors.I will write later to tell everybody what other changes I`ll notice in the performace.Hope this helps.Cheers.Raf |
Rja, my cables were pre-manufactured with Fi-11R and changed them to Gold.
looking at your cables, there is an interesting article here after, pointing out usage of Furutech (FP-Alpha-3) with Furutech Gold and Rhodium. hope that would be informative.
There are other links on his website (cable reviews) which is very useful and honest.
http://www.hifi-advice.com
Furutech-alpha3-review.html
Michel. |
Rja.Thanks for clarifying..It's ok.No problem.Just for curiosity.Which are the differences in sound performances between the neotech cables series and the furutech cable using the same FI-11 G connectors?Many thanks for your comments.Raf |
Rja - What ends did you use with the Alpha 3?
I tried Neotech gold/upocc ends and thought the sound was too warm and mid-rangy for my tastes. I ran them in with a fan for a week or so, then used them for a while. Pretty sure they were run in enough.
I purchased a Neotech rhodium/upocc IEC and will try that along with the gold plug.
Aplogoies to the OP if this is off the mark as to what he was interested in. |
dear fellows, Regarding cables (power, Ic, Speaker) and audio system matching, there is no any objective rules. The sound/quality improvement terms are subjective matters. It is not an exact science and It is all system dependent! Everybody express its own experience and Everything is based on Test-Try.
For FI-11N(G), even after 30-40 hours of break-in time, sound was not bad at all. However, much more improvements began to manifest gradually. In my system, after ~200 hours I heard more details and more dynamic with layered soundstage. at that time, my hesitation between Gold and Rhodium connector was removed! I use Rhodium connectors from Wall to Power conditioners with a great result and then after it is all Gold connectors. I tried Gold-Gold connector, Rhodium-Rhodium, G-R scenario too but I was not pleased with the results. my taste on sound quality parameters could be different compared to others!
As Raf mentioned, results could be different in some other systems depending to source component, pre-amp, amp and their connecting cables.
I look forward to read Raf's experience regarding changed sound parameters from original PAD power cord connectors (I guess it was Wattagte Brass) to Fi-11G. please let us know your impressions...
cheers,
Michel
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I'm not saying anyone else is wrong or that I am right.
I am only communicating my own experience.
I have been building my own PCs and settled on the Furutech FI-11, both R and G, after experimentation. My cabling is either bulk Neotech (NEP-3200, NEP-3001, NEP-3002) or Furutech (FP-Alpha-3).
I haven't re-terminated any manufacturer's pre-built power cables so no experience with that. |
Hi dear fellows.I respect what Michelzay says about the improvements in sound performances he heard in his audio system within the time( 200 hours later).For me ears and memory toghether can detect so tiny details that possible can`t be mesured by any device.Another important issue is that in some audio systems this tiny things can`t be appreciated so evidently as they are system dependant.So again each person with his audio system may have very differents experiences.So, let`s be open-minded and respect others audiophile`s experiences.At least that is my point of view.Have a nice day!Cheers!Raf |
I have FI-11 terminations on all my PC's and I stand by my assertion that those kind of break-in times are ridiculous(200-400 hrs). At least that is my experience. |
You have fallen prey to the silliness of the hobby. Your bank account should be in lock down before such foolishness puts you in the asylum, and the poor house. |
Rja.Very clever appreciation.The wire interacts with connectors of course.In my case I use the same old PAD Musaeus wire I`ve been using in my system for a year , so I consider it to have pased the break- in time process, that`s why I asked about the break- in time of connectors.But you are wright, according to what you say these connectors may have different times of break- in depending on the type of wire they are assembled in( metallurgy, if new or used etc)Cheers,Raf |
You can't discuss the connectors without mentioning the wire. How can you be sure the connectors are taking so long when it might be the wire? These things are mentioned as if they are independent of the rest of the chain. |
Hello Raf, My experience could be different compared to others. In my case, improvements appeared on frequency edges, details, and sound definition of each instrument, more openness on treble and midrange and more weight on bass.
Chris Vanhaus (vhaudio) suggested perhaps this period of break-in FI-11 might take around 200 hours. In Some sites, some other people mentioned a period of 400 hours and more!!! But I guess this is more likely for Furutech cables than connectors.
Up to ~180 hours, I used a NEMA to IEC adapter with a small ventilator for break-in period. I thought the sound would be perfect but afterward ( >220-250 hours) I heard more refinement, especially on instrument placement on stage, more smooth transition on frequency bands and more treble registers appearing on music.
Hope this would help.
Cheers,
Michel |
Hi Michelzay.I puted the new Furutech FI-11-N1 Gold last week, so they have hardly 20 hours in use.They have gain detail comparing to the first listening.I wonder how much detail and resolution they will get in the next weeks.That why my question about break-in time.I wanted to be sure if they will continue improving in my system.Any other experiences with Furutech connectors will be appreciated.Cheers.Raf |
A couple of months ago, using new Furutech Gold F-11 connectors, It took me more than 180 hours to break-in my Furrutech Gold connectors. After almost 220 hours, I experienced a much cleaner sound out of them. |
Raf,
I don't think it takes very long, certainly not 150 hours. |
put it on fridge and leave it there for a month....you will have to make adaptors for the IEC connector... |
A couple of months ago, using new Furutech Gold F-11 connectors, It took me more than 180 hours to break-in my Furrutech Gold connectors. After almost 250 hours, I experienced a much cleaner sound out of them. |
