Bower and Wilkins and its relationship with Classe and Rotel


Just learned recently that B&W own's Classe and Rotel. Being that their affiliated in some way do you think B&W sounds best when coupled with the two brands?
macandtosh
@macandtosh, I don't have any experience with Oppo mods. There are lots of thread and good reviews out there on Oppo mods from Modwright and Examplar. 

@bombaywalla, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I have owned wide variety of Delta series amps in last 10 years and anyone out there will concur with me that their sound is no where near etched, screechy, bright, brittle or metallic. 

Classe amps are one of the most neutral sounding amps and mate quite well with B&W speakers.  

Ask the folks at famed Abbey Road studios :-)

Bombaywalla

.....there was too much to wade thru. Can you post a link?


BW

The Readers Digest version is available. On virtual system click on toggle details beside Components. Read the summaries for;

  • Matrix 800
  • 801 Active Monitors-Currently Stored
  • 800 Series Bass Alignment Filter / Equalizer

Spend some time on the picture that shows the graph results of the Bass Alignment Filter on the 801 matrix. This was obtained from B&W UK. Some truths are revealed. Would be happy to discuss this more here as this directly affects amplification; or come say Hi on my system thread.

If the info found in the above entries is of interest, there is much more detailed information, on which the opinions were formed. But you will need to read through the posts :^) Unfortunately the AudioGon virtual system posts themselves can not be linked yet with the new system.

I am kind of intimidated to go there myself - read through my past posts. Audiophilia Nervosa can be a scary thing. I do know, if my wife discovers my moniker and reads through. I think I am in big doo doo. She will gain too much leverage.

Leave you with a thought. Everyone here knows B&W is one of the most well known, discussed brands in the Audio business. And this is why there is such a love/hate thing going on - like other brands in this position. Now whenever a regular person, not an audiophile, comes over and sees the funny looking tall speakers, and I tell them they are made by B&W.

10 out of 10 non-audiophiles; the response back is always the same.

"Oh, I didn’t know BMW made speakers"


Cheers

"Oh, I didn’t know BMW made speakers"
funny! my dad said that when I showed him DM604S2 back then (I was driving a BMW also back then so i'm sure he had that auto brand in his mind).... ;-)



ct0517,
interesting read re. the B&W BAF.
I read the Ken Rockwell dissertation on the BAF & I believe there’s a typo in Fig 6 - 11 (that seems to be verified as one scrolls lower to the Rohde & Schwarz plots). The freq range (along x-axis) for Fig 6-11 have a "kHz" - i think that’s wrong. The "k" in the "kHz" needs to be removed i.e. the frequency range should be just "Hz". You look at the freq numbers as 50KHz, 100KHz & this is a bass alignment filter - it makes no sense at all. Human beings don’t hear beyond 20KHz + what kind of bass operates in the kilo Hertz range??
Anyway, once you get past this I see the BAF as a subsonic filter (which is also clearly mentioned in the B&W BAF manual) & by providing 6dB peaking in the BAF module B&W is able to extend the bass response of the speaker down to the deep bass region (20-40Hz). Yeah, I can relate to woofers flapping due to TT rumble - I’ve seen that before.
Many Japanese integrated & receiver amps from the 1970s, 1980s also had a subsonic filter switch (like my Yamaha CA-2010) which is a high-pass filter with a -3dB at 15Hz if I remember the contents of its manual correctly.
Yeah, I can see why the B&W Matrix speakers became "efficient" (altho I would not have used that term specifically) by addition of the BAF - the impedance in the deep bass region was increased to 6 Ohms (like the rest of the freq response) meaning that the power amp now can dump current into a large impedance to produce bass thereby taxing it less & like you said opening up the choices of power amps to drive such a large speaker. People who did not use this BAF had to find power amps that were capable of high current into lower impedances implying very expensive & heavier power amps.
The BAF is a gimmick for a speaker whose designer could not design it correctly in the 1st place & had to add a bass extension/alignment filter to fix a flawed initial design.
Ken Rockwell writes that the newer Nautilus speakers do not use this BAF (as it seems to have confused the public since many speakers were bought w/o the BAF + we all have seen several BAFs take a life of their own on eBay when they really have been tied to a particular B&W Matrix speaker model) & have bloated bass. He is very accurate in that statement - I 2nd it from all my listening experiences & my ownership.