Bottleneck / Upgrade Recommendations - Yamaha RVX-475 Receiver, Pro-Ject Phono Box MM

To give additional background I got the turntable, preamp, headphones and headphone amp/DAC all within the last year.  Really impressed with the Edition XS and FiiO Q15 for the price. Now they have me feeling like my stereo setup is lacking. I think what blew my mind the most was the imaging (I think that and not soundstage, not really clear on the difference still) 

@soix im definitely experimenting with speaker placement this weekend. Thank you for the advice.

@theflattire in hindsight I wish I didn’t cheap out on the turntable preamp. I have a buddy with the same turntable and speakers as me. We compared my Pro-ject Phono Box with his Fosi Audio Box X2 which is about the same price.  From what I remember, it made the Phono Box sound a bit “hollow” for lack of a better word. since I got the turntable I do most of my listening with it and maybe stream Spotify like 25% of the time. 
 

@mesch I’m trying to keep any/all upgrades under $3000 total but not super firm on that. 
 

@hifidan26  Are you considering an integrated amplifier, a DAC and a phonostage? Would you consider used gear?

Optical from the TV would have to be run to a DAC. 

Integrated amplifiers can be purchased with a DAC and phonostage onboard. I prefer to keep digital components separate from analog ones. 

@mesch I’m leaning towards an integrated amp to start. If I upgrade piecemeal I’m thinking of doing it in this order:

1. Integrated Amp
2. Phono Preamp
3. DAC

I generally like to use things that do one thing and do it well, but if I have ~$3k to spend, does it make sense to start with an integrated amp that has a passable phono preamp and DAC and get dedicated ones later? I’m not opposed to buying used gear as well.

The Leak Stereo 130 looks like it would meet my needs. So does the Outlaw Audio RR2160. Thank you @yogiboy for the suggestion.

@soix I don’t think I quite understand how ht bypass works. If I had surround sound, would I keep the rear and center speakers wired to the receiver and the front speakers wired to an integrated amp? After that is where I get a little lost. How do you connect the front speakers to the receiver? Is it RCA preout from the receiver to an input on the integrated amp? I don’t think my receiver would work for this if it doesn’t have pre outs for the front channels, right? Would some sort of amp switcher/selector also work? E.g. I could have the front speakers wired to both the integrated amp and the receiver and switch between them with that. I’m not too concerned with surround sound, so I don’t think this is something I need at this time.

I think what blew my mind the most was the imaging (I think that and not soundstage, not really clear on the difference still)

So, look at soundstage as the overall size of the sound from left to right, front to back, and height whereas imaging is more placement of individual elements within the soundstage. When you have a system capable of fully fleshing out these characteristics and your speakers are positioned well there’s the appearance of what’s frequently called a “3D soundstage” that allows you experience more of a performance rather than just flat reproduced sound. This is precisely why I recommended experimenting with speaker placement earlier.

I don’t think I quite understand how ht bypass works.

No, you pretty much got it right. The big question is if the RCA connections labeled “Audio” on your AVR are preamp outs — it’s very annoying Yammy is so vague about this so you need to maybe call/email Yamaha to see what this actually is. If it acts like a pre out then you’re correct — the pre outs from the AVR go into the HT Bypass input on the integrated that is then hooked to your speakers. So to switch between HT and dedicated 2-channel with the AVR completely out of the signal path you just change the input on the integrated — that’s it and it’s a beautiful thing.

As for an integrated, I’m with you on wanting separate components for DAC, streamer, and amp, but in your case you need upgrades in all three and there are some options out there that can do all three for you and leave you the flexibility to upgrade individual components down the road as funds allow. Toward that end, I’d be very tempted to look at something like a used Hegel H190 or H120 as you’d instantly get major upgrades in amp, DAC, and streamer that I think would provide a huge increase across the board in performance immediately in one shot. Incidentally, I’d forgo an onboard phono stage in an integrated amp as the phono pre is critical and almost always an afterthought and severely compromised in integrateds — I’d definitely just go separate there.

Last, I’m not surprised you spend most of your time listening to your turntable as you’re currently streaming Spotify through a Sony PlayStation — EEEEEEEK!!!!! You should at least do a free trial of Qobuz that offers much better sound quality and a lot of it in hi res, and even through the Sony and the AVR you should notice a significant improvement. Sorry to drone on, but I hope you find at least some of this useful/helpful.

Given you are dealing with a living room as opposed to a dedicated  A/V room I agree on forgetting the 5.1 system. Allows for distribution of budget across 2 channels for higher quality sound. Also you are budgeting for both vinyl and digital playback. You would not have to focus on upgrading both at the same time.

With vinyl it is important that the phonostage mates well with the cartridge regarding gain and loading to achieve the desired presentation. Your DAC will have to have inputs for connection to your TV (likely optical) and streamer (most often coax or USB). Many streamers come with their own DACs. 

If I were you I would be inclined to focus on the purchase of a line level integrated amplifier that mates well with my speakers.  I would then upgrade my phonostage or streaming  capability as independent events.  Make use of this forum for each level of upgrade. Explore the AG marketplace. I have made several great purchases  from this site.

Good luck in your endeavor.