Bluesound Node 2i vs Raspberry Pi SQ


I'm looking for the best sound quality and music server function under 500. Basically I want to be able to use my phone, tablet and PC as a remote to control FLAC files on an external hard drive. Streaming for youtube or Netflix would be nice, but I don't have a streaming service. 

Are there any R Pi solutions that can compete with the 2i on sound quality? Or Raspberry Pi + an external DAC? 

Also, is it possible to control either via foobar? That's my go to so far with my laptop. 
stuff_jones

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"1. I'm looking for the best sound quality and music server function under 500."
Sigh ... let the opinion spam begin (including mine).

"2. ...use my phone, tablet and PC as a remote to control FLAC files "
I'm guessing you meant "...use my phone, tablet and PC as a remote to control [the playback of] FLAC files [stored] on an external hard drive".

"3. Are there any RPi solutions that can compete with the 2i on sound quality"
Is the Bluesound 2i sound quality any good? Compared to what?


Addressing your #3 first:

I have two RPi 3 B+ builds, both with DAC HAT's (Hardware Attached on Top): one a HifiBerry DAC+ Pro (TI/Burr-Brown PCM5122 x1), the other a Orchard Audio ApplePi DAC (dual TI/Burr-Brown PCM1794A's).

The ApplePi DAC is quite good. My baseline is the Asahi Kasei AK4490 ‘Velvet Sound’ DAC circuit in the Micromega M-100 integrated amp ($4500 srp).

Are you handy with PC's/Macs and Linux, and/or do you like to build cute little computer things? If yes then a RPi-based audio rig is just your kinda game. Fun and super-easy. For cost, like this:

Raspberry Pi 3 B+                 $40
Apple Orchard ApplePi DAC $199 + $5 for stacking connector
HifiBerry case                        $16
                                     Total $255

RPi 3 B+ and case are on Amazon, ApplePi DAC is direct from Orchard Audio. Owner Leo is top-notch for care, support and sheer passion for what he's producing. Ask him to throw in the stand-offs for the DAC board, if you don't already have some.

Bonus: set up the RPi as dual-boot with Berryboot, and install Volumio as music server/streamer/player, and OSMC with Kodi as media center including video playback (any compatible movie files on your NAS, Youtube playback via plugin, etc).

Your #2: use a UPnP/DLNA control point app to control playback from the RPi/Volumio. If your phone & tablet are Android, you got options. BubbleUPnP is the best, from my experience. You can use a web browser for remote-control of the Kodi media center (movie playback).

If you're on iOS, it's harder if not SOL due to Apple OS's walled-off approach.

Your #1: sigh...
You say you got a PC? And a hard drive with FLAC files on them? Assuming you have a LAN too, you don't need a "music server" - you already have one: Windows OS, your hard drive, and the SMB network protocol.

What more are you looking for from a "music server"?
@stuff_jones,

Both my RPi builds have been stable including the new one (Orchard Audio ApplePi DAC). For those of us with other more compelling interests, it’s a do-it-once-and-enjoy thing.

There is some fiddly computer tech, OS and network interaction needed for initial setup. Smart, open-to-new-adventure person with gumption but no experience can get it done in 1-3 days, depending on how long your days are.

Tons of guides and support out on the forums, finding/reading of which is part of the several hours - and the fun ; ). For many, experiences like this have a way of keeping one young, and resilient, and always learning.

Are you on Android and Windows, and what’s your home network setup?

Some intel on DAC chips:

Looks like the BS Node 2i has a single TI/Burr-Prown PCM5122 in its DAC circuit. That’s the same chip as the $40 HifiBerry DAC+ Pro.

The $200 ApplePi DAC has dual PCM1794A’s, and sounds dramatically better than the HifiBerry DAC+ Pro. No surprise given the respective DAC circuits. Is it 5x better-sounding than the HifiBerry? To my ears, a resounding yes.

Read all about TI/Burr-Brown audio dac chips here. Especially notice price differences across the various models.
@stuff,

"What type of router should I be looking for?"
Start with whatever router your telco gives you. Router is in bottom-half of list of things to optimize later. I currently run a gigabit-ethernet FIOS router that Frontier gave me. If telco makes you pay for a router, compare prices then consult Archimago’s blog to see what he did. I trust him, on all matters computer audio and more broadly for his objective, clear-headed take on ’audiophile’ industry and equipment rife with snake-oil, bullsh!t and "manufactured consent".

"Just one that I can plug a hard drive into?"
Nope - no stand-alone HD will do that. At minimum must be in an enclosure with network controller, lil’ bitty bus and rudimentary primary controller for I/O to & from disc, across the bus and in/out the network adapter. Like everything else one can spend too much money on such thingz ... entire companys’ raison détres are stand-alone NAS devices.

You have a PC, with a hard drive, and you will have a router and LAN. So your PC becomes your NAS when you plug it into the router. Any additional stand-alone HD’s will have to plug into the computer (or, the RPi if you go that route). Take it one step at a time (or two), read Archimago, and be ready for lots of unfounded crap about this-n-that you need to buy for ’audiophile’ networked audio.

"...isn’t implementation more important (as important?) as the chip itself?"
Yes, to a degree. DAC chip itself is both indication of level of investment in implementation and a limiting element in overall performance. A crappy analogy: Porsche doesn’t put the VW Touareg engine in the Cayenne SUV, though the two share frame, doors, base electrical etc.

"What about the Katana 1.2?"
Haven’t heard it, don’t need to at this time, so far totally satisfied with ApplePi DAC. Especially see this informal monthly RPi DAC 'shoot-out' in Hamburg, where ApplePi is consistently a favorite (along with the Katana THD version).