Blu Ray is 1080p vs HD-dvd at 1080i. Blu Ray has the space on the disc to have even a LOTR extended version on one dics with lossless DTS-HD soundtrack...were HD DVD will not. B/R 25-50gb actually used on initial movies. Hd dvd 15 of 30 possible gb is all they say there going to use initially. B/R will upscale sd dvd to 1080p... and HD DVD will upscale to 1080i like current players do.
As far as audio...the new lossless DTS/DD wil require 6 analog inputs much like sa-cd...until the new receivers/pre/pros come out with this built in...and then you will need a single hdmi cable to transmit the lossless audio.
The Ps3 B/R demo in Vegas is said to look spectacular...and M/S is supposed to announce add on HD DVD hardware for there 360 today. |
Maybe not need to no....but remember were talking 1080p vs 1080i and I already had 1080i with the now dead DVHS format. I don't believe that 15gb is enough space to have the extended LOTR on two discs with lossless DTS -hd audio...seeings how double bit rate DTS was on some of the DVHS tapes and for a normal length movie it took 28 gb and double bit DTS is not lossless.
People with pj's or screens 50 inches or bigger are going to want 1080p....and only B/R can give it to you. I thought I better add that Toshiba has not been known for any quality in there dvd players for yeas now. Also B/R has far more studio, as well as hardware support from better names such as Pioneer Elite. One thing I am still trying to find out for certain is if there is any type of phone line or internet line required to watch any of the upcoming movies on either format. If there is, both these formats are already dead imo. |
Well this time HD DVD is missing more than 50% of the studio backing with no support from Sony, Columbia Tri Star, MGM, Disney, Miramax or Fox. Add this to the so called war and B/R is a sure winner. |
Rysa....this is incorrect with studio backing for B/R at 90% and less than 50% for HD. Same goes for hardware...B/R has far more support....hands down.
The Washington Post reporter that pushed play on the Toshiba HD player at CES, only to find it to do nothing(broke)....along with the pictures of the Toshiba player with tape acrossed the back and one single cable coming out.....you actually beleive HD is going to be sold in March. HD has been telling lies for two years now....with B/R always doing as they say. This is pure desperation on the part of HD.....and those of us that have been following this, are not falling for HD's desperation.
Cnet voted the Pioneer Elite B/R player as best in show , and picked B/R to win with a lot more staying power.
And again Hd has zero studio support from.. Sony MGM Columbia Tri Star Disney Miramax Fox. Hardware support for HD at show...Toshibas sometimes broken player.
Hardware support for B/R Mitsubishi Panasonic Philips Pioneer Samsung Hitachi JVC LG Sharp Yamaha Ben Q Zenith
Some of these are players,recorders and drives....but HD support was very slim and a desperation move on there part imo. |
Rysa...the pictures showing the taped up back are posted at AVS....end of story. B/R has by far the most studio...as well as hardware support....game over for Hd dvd imo. |
Here is CES coverage of both formats. Http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/ces2006/gallery01.html
Apparently, Hd dvd never even had a player showing actual HD movies....and as you will see B/R was the dominant force there. |
Net Flix chooses B/R. http://usgizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/netflix-jumps-gun-on-next-gen-dvd-138229.php |
Rysa...if you visit the XBOX 360forum at AVS...you can see exactly how little they seem to care about the add on....but you may have to look a page or two back in that forum to even find the thread on the announced add on. My son owns an XBOX 360 and I had to send it in with a code after 6 hours because it was rushed to market just like the HD players are going to be.
Most seem to feel scammed by MS....with the vast majority not even interested in the add on.
The ps3 is a true "Trojan Horse" because it will be included on every player and PS is far bigger than Xbox as far as units sold goes and popularity.
Advantage = SonyB/R. imo
I will most likely be buying the Pioneer Elite Blu Ray player that took best in show. |
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142137.html
It looks as if XBOX is saying if HD fails...they will then have add on B/R players. Some of the Xbox 360 owners had said that MS was probably hedging there bets and/or not having full faith in HD....looks like they were right. |
With eight major studios now supporting Blu Ray only, along with the usual millions of Ps3 sales in the U.S putting more Blu Ray players in U.S. homes than all other players from either format combined, you can pretty much stick a fork in it. M/S seems to be the only big backer of HD, and if not for M/S, Toshiba and Sony would most likely have come to an agreement long ago, and there would be none of this happening. Toshiba has now announced making PC BD drives also...so there smart enough to hedge there bets at least.
The studios love Blu Rays tighter security and know the Ps3 is sure to be a hit as usual, so there not likely to change there stance.
At this point it would take a huge miracle for hd dvd to even last past 07....and 500.00 players that are limited to 1080i and only 2 channel lossless audio are not even close to enough. to compete against a 1080p PS3,as well as not having studio support from MGM Columbia Tri Srar Disney Pixar Lions Gate Miramax Fox Sony Pictures |
What issues are those...I know the Sony es player plays cd, and will even up scale sd dvd to 1080p. The Philips Prototype BD recorder/player clearly has an sa-cd logo on it,as well as dvd/cd logos, and the PS3 is stated as sa-cd/cd/dvd/BD compatilble as well as having 1080p. The Samsung plays cd/dvd and like the Sony es and Philips has 8 analog outs. Not sure on the Pioneer Elite or Panasonic ect BD players yet. |
Jaybo....Warner and Paramount are Blu Ray supporters also though...so whats your point exactly? Universal minus 8 studios = very weak support for hd dvd....no question there. And Blu Ray also has a huge harware support advantage to boot.
Rysa, my Optoma pj although 720p, accepts a full 1080p digital input now, and by this summer/fall, there will be lots opf 1080p displays that accept 1080p. But your right, other than the average Joes who geta BD player by default with there PS3, there won't be many average consumers buying either format for at least a few years in any great numbers. |
Jaybo...none of these studios are doing hd dvd MGM Miramax Columbia Tri Star Buena Vista Pixar Disney Lions Gate Fox Sony Pictures With only Universal holding out on Blu Ray, and that highly expected to change soon. All other studios have dual support which gives Blu Ray over 90% support, and HD dvd less than 40% |
Here are some Blu Ray player pics http://www.blu-ray.com/players/
Here are some Blu Ray player/recorder pics http://www.blu-ray.com/recorders/ |
Your welcome db, and I agree that the Pioneer Elite looks sweet. There is a spec pdf for that one on the Pioneer site. Multi channel 192/24 BB dacs, 1080p ect.
Here is a link that works for the player/recordes
www.blu-ray.com/recorders/ And drives www.blu-ray.com/drives/ And media www.blu-ray.com/media/ |