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Blind Testing is Dead - Long live My Wallet testing.

Hi Everyone,

I was seeing some discussions around cables, and reading other discussions about A'gon members asking for opinions on different alternatives for hooking up a DAC, or TV sound, or whatever, and it made me think of this.


I want to tie a few things together:

  • Most technical measurements consumers read were defined by the 1970s. It is fair to describe them as stagnant.
  • The cost to benefit ratio of a lot of products can vary a great deal.
  • I hear things I can't yet measure in cables and crossover components.
  • I like measurements. 
  • Someday measurements commonly discussed among consumers will improve and better tie our values to technology.

A lot has been made about double blind testing, and a lot of readers rely on taste masters (web sites, magazines and social media) and whether in fact these taste masters can hear anything at all. Reminds me a lot of blind testing of wines, or an article I read recently about how much super rare whiskey is fake.


When deciding on a bit of kit, I could not care less about double blind testing. I care about :

  • What audible value can I perceive?
  • Is the price proportional to that value?
  • Is my money better spent on a vacation or liquor?

We should also note that I'm a bit of an iconoclast. Most consumers also care about:

  • Brand recognition
  • Style
  • Perception of modernity (is it cutting edge no one else has)
  • Perception of construction (how much does it weigh, how is it packaged)
  • Ability to create envy.
  • Price ( if it's too inexpensive, it can't be good! )


What is my message then? My message is that this is all cute, like reading about movies or books or music shows, but in the end, it's my wallet, no one else's. John Atkinson is not buying my speakers for me. I am. My hard work creates value which I use some of (sometimes too much) to buy audio related products. The more you detach yourself from brands, costs and worries about measurements the more frugal, and happier  you will be.


Best,

Erik


erik_squires

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clearthink
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cd318"It is the elephant in the room as far as audio reviewing is concerning. They could and should do it, but know only too well the consequences."

Of what practical use, utility, or function would a blind test undertaken by a critic, reviewer, or other audiophile possibly have to you as a reader, user, or consumer? I think smart users of Music Reproduction Systems make they're own decisions, determinations, and acquisitions using they're own methods, techniques, and processes.

clearthink
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millercarbon"Components should have stickers like wine: 92 points- rich, fully developed acoustic space, strong wood notes but not too brassy"

Those who are knowledgeable, educated, and experienced do not need others to tell them how equipment sounds whether it be through labels, pronouncements on the Internet, or the claims, beliefs, and convictions of other "audiophiles." 
clearthink
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cd318"if these esteemed reviewers with all of their years and years of listening and critically evaluating equipment cannot reach a clear evaluation through blind testing then we are forced to conclude that either the differences are so subliminal as to hardly be worth the bother or there aren't any."

I am in no way forced, compelled, or inclined to reach this conclusion that you state because I am not subject to the two logical fallacies you have committed hear in one sentence!

" subliminal differences are of little use to most of us audiophiles, but blind evaluation must always reveal major ones"

This is an opinion stated as fact yet another logical fallacy!

" In cases where home auditioning is impossible perhaps we need to go back to evaluating and buying gear on specifications once more? If you know how to read them they can tell you at a glance a lot more than some lilly livered critic ever will"

You cannot judge a book by it's cover or a Music Reproduction System component or accessory based on measurements alone this has been repeatedly, reliably, and consistently shown, demonstrated, and revealed.
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