Believe it or not, Monster Cable supposedly made the most expensive speaker cables (I have no idea what they look like), at least that I've ever heard of. They listed for like over $100,000 "per installation". If you don't believe me, check out the 10/99 Audio Buyer's Guide. If you don't want to spend that much, Harmonic Technology Pro-9 are over one inch diameter (not that this is a good indicator of conductor size, it's 9 AWG per pole). I believe the Cardas Golden Cross speaker cables have the largest conductors per pole, at 5.5 AWG. I could be wrong on some of this, but THAT seems very unlikely (as usual)... |
Hi Richard! Did those not sound "capacitive" at all? |
Avnut: FIM is "First Impressions Music", and I prefer their recordings, over the FIM power cord that I tried. My favorite is "Jazz at the Pawnshop"...but I like most every CD of theirs that I have. |
Mr Cornchoked boy, I apologize if you took what I said as implying that FIM did the recording. I already know they didn't, I just meant it is released by them, and I enjoy it. Kiss my ass, you weak old man... |
What you think doesn't count, and it is you who singled me out, and got nitpicky when you didn't need to. It is you who always ruins threads, and it is you who needs to be banned. So there... |
My apologies London, I get antagonized easily, I'm hotheaded. You could just get what I suggested, if you want the biggest CONDUCTOR that's readily available (Cardas Golden Cross). |
So Leafs and Cornfed are the same boys, huh? |
Trelja: I recall Martin Colloms' review of the Black Pearl a few years back (in HFNRR), and I can remember it (just like I can remeber that other Morel matter, and will soon embarrass you with it, I hope). It was 8 AWG per pole, made up of the "black pearl" stranded conductors (and the price was "only" $14,000 at that time....the price of silver must have gone up 500% since then...or else the price of lead must be really high). The Wireworld Gold Eclipse 3 also happens to be 8 AWG per pole, and all silver. |
Trelja, you took it seriously, I was merely trying to be humourous. The love from you guys is overhelming "at this time of year". If you think me such the moron, that I think I'm infallable, you are quite incorrect. And if being younger than you makes me "a boy", then I'll wear it with a badge of honor. You don't need to fax me anything, I have the magazine a few feet from me in a stack, just haven't had time to dig through it. For whatever the reason you are angry with me Trelja, I'm sure you're man enough to get a better sense of humor, and realize when someone is using "ribbing" humor. This is a type of humor that I get from others every time I post here, and when it irks me, I'm told to "chill out" and "don't be so tense". You might give this a try also, Trelja. AND IF I AM WRONG, I'LL ADMIT IT FREELY; BUT THEN NONE OF YOU BETTER FREAKING GLOAT ABOUT IT, EITHER...since you are implying that you think I like to gloat....unless of course you want to be thought of as a mere boy. "I'm a monkeyman..." |
I know the drivers, I own two 164's, and have the Solen catalog (it has a detailed list of all drivers). It's a shame that you didn't get to do the radio gig, sounds like it'd be fun. (Do you ever hear the "Johnboy and Billy Show", out of Charlotte NC? It's hilarious, but mostly geared for southern folk. The best skit is called "married man", but there are many others). And there was no real need for you to apologize. I am still going to look the article up, probably tonight. BTW, you seem to know a lot about drivers. Did you know that, for some reason, Morel makes the 160 series either with 3, or 4 ridges in the spider (yet they spec them the same, and do not distinguish these differences with the serial #)? They can even be manufactured in the same series, and still have either one of the # of ridges? Anyways, I had to keep exchanging mine until I got two that had the same # of ridges (I wanted 4, rather than 3). I spoke with someone at the manufacturer in Israel thru e-mail, and they claimed that there would be no difference in any of the parameters (qms, for instance), but I had my doubts, so I wanted to get a pair that had the same number of ridges. |
Trelja, I am both humbled and saddened with myself. I apologize for not doing this sooner. You were very right about the Stereophile article (I knew you were, but I wanted to check on something else before getting back to you here). I WAS VERY WRONG. I now remember reading it back then, and thinking that something was wrong with the review, but now I know that I myself must have been wrong (that indeed a paper version was NEVER used in the Andra...they do claim as always, that what is used is a "custom" version of the 166). And clearly on the cover photo (October 1997), they are polypropyelene. It is possible that for some reason, I mixed up the sentiments in Morel's own product literature, with that of an interview with Bill Eggleston that I read SOMEWHERE (and I know not where, apparently it wasn't Stereophile...unless it was some followup in mid '98, those are buried somewhere around here...could have been in some other mag, and perhaps I didn't buy the issue), where he was talking about the speaker projects he used to build with his father, using a paper cone midwoofer "because of the quality of the midrange, due to the superior damping characteristics of treated paper as cone material".........The quote I remember well, but I know not where it came from...other than my malfunctioning brain. It could have even been a review of another Eggleston speaker like the Rosa, but I don't know. I just looked up the Andra review in my July/August 1996 issue of Fi, and there is no interview with Eggleston himself there either, but instead much discussion of Peter McGrath's demos of the speaker. In any case, it seems to me that Eggleston should have used the paper 164 instead, because it's hi-frequency response clearly rolls off more smoothly than the polypropylene 166, and indeed the 164's rolloff is smoother (and in a gradual/gentle way) than that of ANY other midwoofer in the world, it seems to me. This seems especially appropriate, since there is no low pass crossover used with them in the Andra. I mean, show me a driver response plot that proves otherwise? In any case, you were correct, and I am eating crow. And, no, all of this isn't really worth debating anyhow..................I am now going to cease posting in this forum, I have had enough. I look forward to reading these forums on occasion, where I will hope to see your knowledgeable and helpful personality on display here, especially since you have the right attitudes with regard to the speaker building hobby (and most audiophiles do not, that is a certainty in my own experience)! You are a class act all the way, Trelja! I wish you all the best for 2001, and for your system!!! Happy listening always. Regards, Carl |
