Bi-Amp success story


Hello all-

This is a follow-up to many threads I have posted already (using my e-mail address - joelm@charter.net before I signed up officially) Rather than tack this on at the end of any one of them I wanted to start a new thread summing up my experience. In doing so I will cover what I did and what worked and what didn't work for me.

My Gear (that matters to this discussion)

Yamaha CX-1000 pre-amp (I also use this for my d/a)
Yamaha MX-1000 power amp (330 wpc into my 4 ohm speakers)
and another MX-1000 power amp for bi-amping (effective 660 wpc?)
Paradigm X-30 line-level active crossover
Infinity Kappa 9 speakers.
Phoenix Gold ZEROpoint Reference II Inner Space reference speaker cable (2 10 gauge conductors) for the low end and Phoneix Gold 12 gauge for the highs.

(1) I tried bi-wiring and that produced no noticable effects for me. (using 1 MX-1000 amp) Maybe with better wire there might be a difference.

(2) I tried bi-amping using no active crossover, and while the soundstage was a bit better the amps were working hard for just a bit of extra volume and in my opinion without an active crossover before the amps it is just a glorified bi-wire.

(3) My final arrangement was very satisfying. My Kappa 9 speakers each have 2 12" drivers that cross-over at a low 80hz. I used the Paradigm x-30 with the 80 hz high pass (a choice of 50,80,120 hz) after the pre-amp and ran it to the right side of each MX-1000. Then I ran the sub-out for each side to the left side of each MX-1000. So one MX for the left speaker, one for the right. I chose this rather than the lows to one amp and the highs to another for a few reasons. (1) elimination of cross-talk (2) decrease in overall demand on each amp during segements with high bass or high highs.

The results were great! I have a much clearer soundstage, and I get a louder, clearer sound than I have ever had before. If I had the gear I would try putting a specialized amp on the lows/highs. One suited best for each purpose. But before I would go to that level I would upgrade everything I have except for the speakers. If I can scrape together the cash I want to try a Sunfire Classic Tube pre-amp and a Sunfire Signature Stereo amp in a non-biwired configuration too. If I like it better (as I am sure I will) I might liquidate my Yamaha gear. However I run my pre-amp "source direct" by-passing all tone controls. Since my Kappa 9's have a strong high-end it is nice to be able to compensate for that just by adjusting the level of the amp or the crossover.

Anyway thanks for all the advice that has gotten me this far!

Regards,

Joel
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Showing 2 responses by jerie

Nice posts you guys! Here's my 2 cents. While most amps can play loudly very few can obtain a high SPL without distortion. Low impedance speaker design characteristics further tax amplification demands and as gain increases so does distortion. As I understand it, bi-amping should provide relief for the amps by dividing the driver load demand. Generally speaking, this should enable the amp to produce a higher SPL without as much distortion, resulting in cleaner and more focused sound. I think most people would be surprised at how much power is actually required for an amp to exhibit low distortion control over a box speaker loaded with many different dynamic drivers. Roger Sanders at Innersound.net has just released a new mono amplifier designed specifically for dynamic driver loaded box speakers rated at 1,100 watts into 8 ohms. Interesting reading.

Active VS. Passive: A passive cross-over contributes to the load on the amplifier and adds it's own sonic signature on the speaker. Like everything else in audio, it's only as good as the quality of the components implemented in the design. The amplifier exhibits control over the dynamic drivers through this passive cross-over. The way I see it, the biggest gain in using an active cross-over is by removing the passive cross-over from the circuit. This allows the amplifier direct control over the dynamic driver and in theory, should yield far better control and less distortion. Of course, your speakers should probably be designed for use with an active cross-over to achieve the full sonic benefits of this set-up. It's interesting that Joel found that the addition of an active cross-over prior to the passive cross-over produced a more satisfying musical presentation. My guess would be that the sonic signature of his active cross-over is yielding the sonic benefit, but I would think that the distortion yield on the amplification of the circuit remains unchanged from the original bi-amping he did.

Craig: For your application, I think Sean's comment is really worth investigating. I would call the people who are upgrading your amp right away and see what input they have about making these amps mono's. If they can be upgraded to mono's and retain their sonic signature that you love my advise would be to jump all over it! Good luck and if you have it done let us know how it turned out. Regards to all. -Jerie
Craig: Bravo! Common sense rules the day! Perhaps Richard Vandersteen summed up my position best and I suppose I'm guilty as charged! :) Still, just think how outstanding those amps would sound driving a great pair of ESL's! {{{Shudder}}} But I guess you'll cross that "bridge" when you come to it. -Jerie