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A digital guy asking the analog group basically so bare with me please...right now i have a VPI scout 2 with a high output Benz mc cartridge....going into a Gold note ph10...a 15 foot run of rca cable into a Pass labs int60...my table is set along a sidewall be cause of no room for the table around the rack.....So my questions is this...I have a grand to spend..should I buy a power supply for my phono amp...should I get a better  low output mc cartridge.. or should I buy xlr cables to run from phono to the integrated...I hear a promise of better things to come and I have no expectations to better my digital setup...thanks

missioncoonery

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@missioncoonery stated " my table is set along a sidewall because of no room for the table around the rack "

What does this statement reveal, A 18Kg Mechanical Tool has a placement selected for it in a Room, selected because the Audio Equipment Rack positioning or available Space on the Rack is not seen as best suited for the TT Setting Up.

My experiences has led me to the place not man off the shelf equipment rack shelves will be useful if solely used to support 18Kg, an 18Kg TT is another thing all together. 

This TT needs a fair bit off thought put into the Structure that supports it and not only for the quality of fastenings if a Wall Shelf is to be selected.

Making more known about how the TT is being supported will help with making suggestion for mounting the TT, that can return substantial benefits.

Of the HO Benz is not overly used and is believed to be able to offer quite a few extra hours of usage, the Benz might just show another side of itself when the Styli requirements, when in contact with the Groove Wall are being given a improved environment to function in.

Would a CD Player be advised to be mounted on a Washing Machine, especially one being used as a Spin Dry. 

A Wild Suggestion is, a TT would not be advised to be mounted on a Washing Machine that is never Powered On and seated on Anti Vibration Footers, the washing machine in this state has the potential to effect a TT's produced signal, more than a Power On Washing Machine will effect a CDP's produced signal.

The basic goal, being to send a signal that is as unadulterated as possible to achieve, to undergo various stages of Amplification and then be transferred to becoming the End Sound.

The End Sound for the Typical Audio Equipment user, is all that is available to assess how the Signal is being Produced, Sent, Amplified and Divided at the XOver to become the Sound the Speaker is capable of achieving. 

Shame the reply is dismissive, the Digital Guy maybe has quite strong ideas for analogue and is quite sure of where they expect better things to come from.

The only request for info in the Post was the following,  

"  Making more known about how the TT is being supported will help with making suggestion for mounting the TT, that can return substantial benefits. "

Is not 'can return substantial benefits' very similar to "expect better things to come". 

I'm not sure where benefits or better is on the table without considering the best possible mounting for the TT.

Good Luck from here on, it will be very very easy getting what other suggestions to be offered are talking about. Take the usual advice to be put out there and see how a Bank Account will be encouraged to drain very very fast. Usually where required funding is ascending fast to 10 x $1K, this is not unusual on the Gon. Some members won't even try and help with only $1K to consider, that is how much the connectors on their to be suggested Cable are intended to cost.   

I am now able to visualise a Oak Table with a Table Top and possibly a H Frame design for the elevating of the Sub Supports and Sub Plinths. The H Frame is put together possibly as a Dowel Jointed Frame if a Modern Design or a more complex Joint if produced with an Historical Design.

An unknown footer type is in use sat upon the Table Top to support/separate a 4" Butchers Block, which also has an unknown Footer type in use that is sat upon it to support/separate a 50mm Plexiglass .

It is also assumed the TT’s Supplied Feet at sat upon the P’glass, to create a Space between the P'glass and Plinth, as well as assist with Levelling the TT..

I am now able to visualise a combined Weight of approx’ 8 Stone (50Kg) sat on top of a Oak Table Top in conjunction with the Support Frame used to function as the Sub Support for the TT’s 4 Tier Sub Plinth Assembly.
Nothing Strange in the above configurations the design is quite typical, even if materials and footers show differences to what others may have selected.

Removing the Focus on What is in use by the OP and commenting about all designs of this nature the following info will show not typically discussed info:

1, The Sub Support in use has to be very very rigid when substantial weight is to be mounted on it.
Some might suggest 8 Stone Sat Upon a Support is a medium weight.
The notion the Sub Support, especially the Framing to Elevate the Sub Support, looks quite well built is not sufficient, the Rigidity of the Sub Base is vital.

2, Weight when sat upon a Structure that is not rigid will be a cause for increased movement being created within the structure, resulting in a change / unpredictable changes Structures management of the local ambient energies present within the listening space.
A Structure that is moving creates additional unwanted energies to be transferred and a proportion will be travelling towards Parts being used where it is vital they are protected from such energies interfering with the function.  

3, All materials in use as a support are generally poor materials when it comes to Damping and Dissipation, even though the purpose for them to be a Structural Material is fine as a choice if strength is all that is being considered.

4, Intrinsic Properties belonging to materials can be Objectively Assessed using methodologies for measuring  materials. Commonly Selected Woods are showing very similar data, - Oak @ 0.102 - Butchers Block @ 0.1 - MDF - 0.017 - Metals also are similar - Steel @ 0.008 - Chemical Based Substances share similar as well - Plexiglass @ 0.07
The Data reveals one important trait attached to these material types.
Each is not efficient at being able to stop Amplitude, the energies transferred into them will pass through with little resistance and be able to migrate into other Materials used Locally.

5, In the Sub Support and Sub Plinths, energies will travel through to the Plinth of the TT. 
The TT's Plinth Materials as individual materials are the least effective at reducing Amplitude.

6, The Stylus is in contact with the Groove with the design for it to extract a facsimile of the Data embedded within the Modulation in the Groove and send this on for conversion to become a Electrical Signal to be Amplified.
Any energy created and being passed to the Stylus that is not from the Groove Modulation, is not belonging to the embedded data within the Groove.
Energy passed that is not energy created as an embedded data is an energy that is having the effect of being an adulteration of the energy from embedded data.
Energy that is an adulteration of embedded Data energy is sent through the Cantilever for conversion to a electrical signal, that as a signal is to undergo various stages of Amplification/ Increased Gain.

7,The Signal will become and End Sound at the time it has exited the Xover as a divided Signal to create different frequencies within the End Sound Produced. 

With the above in mind and rigidity being of the utmost importance to give certain material types their most effective environment to function efficiently in. 
Imagine what is the potential if the actual supporting structure, such as the Rooms Floor is not rigid.

Taming the environment the Analogue Source is set up in, to create an Interface where the Stylus is protected from receiving unwanted energies, is a life long interest and not able to be addressed with immediacy. much learning is to be had, if this is an area of an audio interest that has appeal.

I have stated in the past, " On the Gon,  there are Analogue Source Users who have kept an Open Mind about such a subject of Isolation/Separation, but were at a place where thought was suggesting little else was achievable.
I have read reports where simplistic changes at a later time have been Jaw Dropping Good as the Outcome. 
One very well recollected report made by a well respected Gon Member, was about how the Analogue Source noticeably tidied up when they made an inroad to rigid up the Sub Support for the TT.
Note: This Gon Members TT is also produced using as multi tiers one of the most attractive materials in use today in audio for the Intrinsic Properties for Damping/Dissipation.

My basic Take as a result of experiences had, is Analogue Source / CD Source are able to be very very impressive and wanted to be used regularly.
When the Signal Sent from the Stylus is seemingly as unadulterated as possible that can be achieved using a certain level of knowledge to achieve this. The reasonably affordable TT Set Up will be able to make a very very good impression. Parity of performance is available from the TT to many many CD Sources, to some extent the CD Source being substantially more expensive than the TT used.