best subwoofer for stirling LS3/5A

If I had a set of LS35/as, I'd set them up with the Swarm system from Audiokinesis. It might take a bit of adjustment due to the bass hump, but that would otherwise work really well in a small room, even if listening nearfield. Might be a bit out of the price range though, but one of my employees had a set of LS35as and they worked great on our amps- enough so that going for a really nice sub system like the Swarms is justified by the speaker itself.

>>A Vandersteen is faster as it High Passes, cleans up the hump, unloads the main amp...the Rels do not Hi pass...<<

Not fast enough for me. I still hear the dynamic disparity. Yeah, a Vandersteen is a pretty good sub for all the other slow speakers out there, but not for this one. I didn't mention Vandersteen because I don't believe the V sub is up to the challenge.

>>You really need to try a pair set up properly high passed before offering advice.<<

Been there, done that. Not impressed with the result. The Zu sub is as quick as a sub gets, and still I'd run LS3/5a without, double them instead. Far more natural and integrated.

Phil

Phil

((The best subwoofer for any LS3/5A is none.))
strongly disagree

((The tuned-in bass hump is one complicating factor. agree The other is the B110's (or equivalent in newer form) transient speed.)) ((Not even an REL sounds fast enough to keep up.))
A Vandersteen is faster as it High Passes, cleans up the hump, unloads the main amp...the Rels do not Hi pass...
(( Subwoofers are mostly poor dynamic mismatches to small speakers anyway. They are particularly compromising of everything about the LS3/5a that attracted you in the first place.)) You really need to try a pair set up properly high passed before offering advice.
Cheers Johnnyr

I believe that the sub/stand I was thinking of in my earlier post is the Rogers AB1. It uses the same b110 driver as the ls3/5a in a tall, ported cabinet.

Hopw that helps.

Marty

The best subwoofer for any LS3/5A is none.

The tuned-in bass hump is one complicating factor. The other is the B110's (or equivalent in newer form) transient speed. Not even an REL sounds fast enough to keep up. Subwoofers are mostly poor dynamic mismatches to small speakers anyway. They are particularly compromising of everything about the LS3/5a that attracted you in the first place.

If you absolutely must sub-optimize them with a sub, find a Zu Mini-Method or Zu Method. It's fast enough to put you in the realm of not being distracting.

The better way to get a bit deeper (and better) bass from the LS3/5a is to take inspiration from the '70s Double Advent System: add a second pair of LS3/5A, stack then inverted so you are running top to bottom, w-t-t-w. On stands. They'll image a bit better if you make spacing blocks the height of an old 35mm film canister to put between the speakers in each stack.

Several great things happen: 1/ At a given volume each driver is less strained. The little BBC speaker begins dynamic compression later in a rising SPL curve. 2/ The mid-bass hump sounds flattened a bit at same volume as with a single pair. 3/ You get impedance flexibility -- wire in series for 30ohms if you run OTL tubes, or 7-1/2 ohms in parallel if your amp lacks 16ohm outputs. 4/ You will hear mild bass extension. 5/ Image scale improves on large music sound staging. 6/ All aspects of the LS3/5A sound will be present, but more relaxed.

I ran this configuration for many years, both with OTL and TO tube amps. Everything that Absolute Sound observed as gained by doubling Advents was realized doing same with LS3/5A, and for that matter the Double Quad ESL System too.

Get a second pair. No added footprint. Use good stands and BluTak. Surprise yourself, be happy.

Phil

You would be best with a pair of pre owned Vandersteen 2WQs
The adjustable High pass allows for a more precise transition, will also clean up the bass in the LS35A.
The pair of 2WQs in the room can be adjusted to preference level, downward firing sealed design is more agile and faster
than anything we have ever heard.
Yes I am Vandersteen dealer
Johnnyr

The LS3/5a is a tough match for a sub because there's a broad mid-bass hump. My general observation is:

If you cross to get a seamless hand-off, you'll likely have too much bass, octave to octave. If you reduce the subwoofer's output to preserve a good octave to octave balance, you'll have a level mismatch at the x-over point and a "raggedy" hand-off.

Maybe someone else has had success and can offer a solution, but the LS3/5a just doesn't -IME- lend itself to mating with a sub. I do seem to recall however, that one of the brands licenced to produce the design (maybe Chapman?) made a less expensive variation and a matching subwoofer/stand. Don't know if/how it worked, but might be worth researching.

Good Luck,

Marty

I like S series RELs. I use them with Spendors; just use them to augment the bass as the 3/5s sound better played full range. When I sold 3/5s I used the Swedish made Audio Pro; I think they are still around but haven't seen any for a while.