@rooze WBF is actually a good example of a site that is run to enable all of the points that I stated in my prior post. One of the owners has consistently pushed products, that he happens to also represent, onto his members. You think their moderation policy is open and transparent, really?? IMO, the mods here are far more consistent and transparent than over there...YMMV.
Agree regarding WBF. Most folks there are knowledgeable and friendly without an agenda except some of the moderators. If a moderator posts there I just ignore that post.