Beatles Without George Martin?

Regarding the argument that he wasn't very successful outside of the Beatles, the same argument could be made for the Beatles as individual artists. None of them were nearly successful as the band itself. This is one of "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts" deals.

Martin wrote and arranged most of the strings for the Beatles.

He also played piano in many of the recordings. His Baroque style piano solo in the middle of "In My Life" is simply beautiful.

It's easy to underestimate his role in the Beatles success until you read many of the books about them.

Good point on Geoff Emerick and the role he played in the Beatles recordings.

Years ago Brian Wilson became so unhappy (after the first or second album I believe) with the co-producer, Nick Venet, Capitol assigned to the Beach Boys that he demanded total production control. Capitol relented.

The rest is history.

>>I'd say Paul McCartney has had a pretty successful career without George Martin.<<

You missed or ignored my point.

I said, "None of them were nearly successful as the band itself".

That is irrefutable.

>>I was only speaking for my own frustrations at hearing the same music over and over A LOT for 40 years.<<

Agreed and that's why I avoid our local FM rock stations. Classic rock stations suck. I'm fortunate to have access to a couple stations out of Toronto that play strictly new music.

However, great music is timeless as evidenced not only by the Beatles' popularity but that of the many classical FM stations that populate major markets.

Not to mention the wide variety of classical music offered on cd and vinyl by online and local stores.

George Martin is a great producer.
But he's not an artist.

Butch Harmon is a great golf coach.
But he's not a golfer.

Martin Scorcese is a great director.
But he's not an actor.

So much for the azmoon argument.

Daniel's solo releases are very good as well.

Not something I can listen to every day but they're very interesting at the right time and mood.

My favorites are "For The Beauty Of Wynona" and "Shine".

>>It simply would not have occurred without them.<<

It's disingenuous to speak in absolutes.

That's like saying Viet Nam wouldn't have escalated had Kennedy lived.

We'll simply never know on either example and it's wasted energy belaboring the arguments.

This is getting a bit off track but JFK's death did have far reaching effects. His attempts (with RFK) to aggressively pursue and prosecute organized crime certainly affected every country in which those groups operated. Millions of revenue dollars were the result of the prostitution, gambling, and drug enterprises they operated.

Many historians believe that "The Mob" was involved in his assassination although Oliver Stone took exceptional liberties, IMO, in his interpretation.

One could go on and on regarding Viet Nam, Cuba, the FBI, and who knows what all but Kennedy's death was an event of global impact both immediate and long term.

Ed had quite a show.

You could watch The Beatles, a talking mouse (Topo Gigio), guys throwing bowling pins around, Ethyl Merman, and Woody Allen in one hour.

Ah the good old days. :-)

>>the guy with the talking hand puppet<<

Do you mean Senor Wences?