Badly recorded albums needing upgrading


My new music system is in place, fairly well burnt in, and speaker placement and other tweaks are coming along. In the process I’ve been learning how much variation there is in the quality of both CD and vinyl recordings. This range in quality was not apparent on my old equipment.

For example, as I go through my old records, I’ve noticed a couple of favorites that are terribly recorded. A well known sub-par recording, Eric Clapton’s (Derek and the Dominoes) "Layla and Other Love Songs" is virtually not listenable. The Stones "Let It Bleed" I’ve had to replace with a Japaneses SACD as Jagger’s vocals sounded like he recorded them with a garbage can over his head. That SACD does sound considerably better, although the vocals on "Gimme Shelter still sound muffled. After some research on site and elsewhere, I just ordered another Japanese SACD of Layla out of the myriad available, which the reviewers said made Layla at least listenable.

Here’ the obvious problem. Both replacements were expensive as CD’a and records go, and I only want to spend that kind or resources on absolute favorite records. I am filling in the rock and roll and R&B portion of my record and CD collection of artists ranging from the Beatles up through the Sex Pistols. Are there any other well known albums like "Let It Bleed" or "Layla" I should avoid, or might already have, that will need to be purchased or bought again in upgraded formats. I’m not asking about obscure groups, but instead more well known artists like the Dead, Hendrix, Aretha Franklin, anything Motown, Janis Joplin, Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Bowie, Roxy Music, The Clash, Talking Heads, etc.

I’ve also been purchasing a lot of vintage jazz, from Ellington through the Weather Report and would like to avoid bad recordings there too. In the jazz realm I’ve been acquiring economical Redbook CD sets like Bill Evans’ 12 Classic Albums, and most recently Wayne Shorter’s entire Blue Note recordings made with RVG (Rudy Van Gelder ) remasters. What I’ve learned so far I to do when purchasing these sets it to avoid those that are made of re-recorded MP3 files. Those sets don’t advertise they are MP3 file based, so I dig around reviews by purchasers who after after getting bilked, expose these recordings labels on Amazon,com Music . If you’ve any of these classic jazz sets or albums or reissue labels I should be avoiding, please let me know.

For example, I’m currently looking to purchase economical multiple album sets of Billie Holiday’s Commodore, Verve, and Decca recordings and would like to know which sets to avoid or conversely which sets are well done.. I like among others Miles Davis, Coltrane, Lester Young, Mingus, Charlie Parker, John McLaughlin, Art Blakely, Chet Baker, Ella Fitgerald, Gerry Mulligan and the like. Again, not obscure recordings or artists. I’d really like to not get burned on substandard recordings too. Si Iif you could forewarn of any particular recordings, or any reissue labels to avoid, please do. Next year I might start to get more Classical Music recordings, but that’s another ball of wax for another day

Maybe this question is too broad or poorly defined but I’d appreciate any help you could provide to avoid disappointment or throw any more cash in the garbage. Thanks, and I’d be pleased to answer any questions to clarify this rambling post.

Mike
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the next time you're in the record store, pick up a couple of cheap copies of Springsteen's "Darkness on the Edge of Town"https://www.better-records.com/product.aspx?pf_id=sprindarkn_1909_01_

You should hear some of the differences the Hot Stamper guys describes. It's an average recording, but a good pressing is noticed.
"Streets of Fire" or "Candy's Room" is a demo song with a clean copy.Monster dynamics.


I like reading threads like this- particular albums are mentioned, which I haven't played in awhile.

I pulled out the Sex Pistols-NMTB(1978 period press) while eating breakfast, before hopping on my bicycle for a spin.


That album sounds great. Plenty of  guitar, bass and drums. Not in an "audiophile" way-but perfect for the type of music it is. It wouldn't be the same if it were "perfect"


It 's ROCK AND ROLL, for heavens  sake!!
I’m an original, period press buyer.Some of those titles listed, I hear the opposite. This of course is my subjective opinion.

Eric Clapton:Layla-yes, that recording even on record isn’t the greatest, but as long as you have a quiet press, the music makes up for sonics.
Stones:LIB- my domestic London stereo press sound fantastic. Punchy and dynamic. I’d like to find the Brit mono press. Tough find.
Ella- I have several mono presses that I take to shows to hear the latest uber setups. Very nice. "Let No Man Write My Epitaph" "Clap Hand Here Comes Charlie" are two examples.
Art Blackey: Moanin - I have the period mono and an 80’s stereo reissue. Both great. The 1959 mono sounds more convincing.

The original press "stamper" copy is a debatable subject, like digital vs analog. I stay away from reissues.

Have you heard a period 1955 mono press of Julie London’s "Julie is her name? You don’t even need a mono car setup to hear the amazing sonics of that recording. The track "Laura" is hypnotic in a decent setup.
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Revisiting Derek and the Dominoes-Layla

If you're serious about record play, cut to the chasehttps://www.better-records.com/product.aspx?pf_id=dereklayla_2002_1
If my table alone, were a $50K+, I wouldn't think twice buying my favorites from here.

The owner of this establishment  used to send his scouts to scoop up potential "stampers" from one of my neighborhood stores.

I have the $500 Pretzel Logic, (found after several $3-5 buys)$300, $600 Stones LIB etc.

I played my copy of Layla...clean, but yeah,some of  what Tom Port describes of a typical copy. Some of his descriptions are IMO, a little much, but he does a good job of "selling the copy"

I forgot how wonderful the entire album is.The cover of Little Wing is cool.