@amir_asr Thanks for trying man (for those of us that know, the words in this thread are obviously from The Real Amir). I know it gets hard having this same debate over and over. They just don't speak the language of scientific method. And they have all sorts of techniques to try and make it sound like they do.
Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
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Pretty sure I can be a drive-by poster if I want to be. Regarding electronics, there can be no debate. You put it on the bench. If the output matches the intended output. Then it is good. Else, it is bad. Example: amps turn little waves into big waves that can sufficiently drive the load as if they are an ideal voltage source - which all classAB or D amps that cost >$100 can do now. That’s it. It’s just too easy to screw up, and @amir_asr is one of the best in the world at not screwing it up. Regarding analog/digital interconnects, there can be no debate. It’s just simple physics and/or EE theory. It doesn’t matter, but I’m an MSEE w/ 25 years experience designing analog and digital chips. I know the math better than most. If you want to debate speakers with me, then first watch this video on Floyd Toole’s landmark research (link below). @amir_asr can correct me if I’m wrong, but he uses an implementation of this research to predict speaker performance, along with subjective listening to verify expectations. I haven’t read all the reviews, but I don’t recall anything he’s heard that wasn’t predicted. If Spinorama says it sounds good, then so will blind listening tests. Other than that, as @amir_asr points out, the only other thing that matters is if it can go as loud as you like it without hitting large-signal limits. If you don’t believe in blind A/B/X testing to verify your assertions, then please don’t debate anything with me. You’re an audio theologist with money to spare, not a scientist.
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