Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

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@rtorchia 

Did you try the fancy USB cable in your system and compare?  Did you compare your current equipment to equipment that Amir doesn't approve of?  Why would you assume tube equipment is adding all kinds of distortion?

 

 

 

 

 

Too bad it really doesn't work like that or home audio would truly sound like real live instruments being played, and it does not.

Asr posters insulted a guy that had some good arguments for cables, he had worked for AT&T in research and development. I will say that Amir did get a little mad at posters for doing that. I think it's worse now than it was back then.

@noske  

Audio precision is used by many and the measurements don't always end up the same. Amir always seems to be in a big hurry when he is measuring audiophile equipment, which isn't a good idea.

@rtorchia 

What tube amp was it?  Science can be manipulated, take damping factor for instance, it can be measured at 1khz instead of 20hz to 20khz.

@rtorchia

I’ll bet money on it that most of if not all the equipment that Amir recommends will be worthless in 10 years, but most of the high end equipment he doesn’t recommend will still be sought after and have some decent value. Accuracy is a myth in audio,

 

 

 

Damping factor, this another overblown spec that is usually meaningless. My friend has adcom gfa 565 monoblocks that have a higher damping factor than my krell ksa 300s, guess which amp has better bass.

@noske 

 

Yes, total transparency like when Amir measured a large planar speaker at 1 meter.

Point to point wired analog equipment can far outlast and has been proven to outlast wave soldered circuit boards.

@quiet 

That's why transistor amplifiers have been trying to emulate the tube sound since day one. 

 

@elangley01

 

Jitter wasn’t measurable once upon a time, but it was definitely heard. Observation is why we have measurements.

amir I guess you never heard the phrase you get what you pay for, of course there are exceptions to the rule, but in my experience the phrase is generally true.

What I find interesting is they won't acknowledge that measurements came about by simple observation first.

How can anything new be invented if we already have perfection according to the measurements you guys often talk about. 

So you are saying my oscilloscope does listen to music, I wonder what type it likes?

 

I can't believe how you guys on ASR insulted Nelson pass for his amp camp amp, which he designed to sound like a tube amp. I don't see you designing an amp of any importance. I'm sure Nelson could design an amp that would measure great, but would it sound good, I think not.

You know what blind taste tests gave us, wait for it the new coke, which bombed big time.

 blind testing is not the answer, you might pick out a speaker in blind testing and hate it once you listen to it for a while in your room. Like I said before look what blind taste tests gave us the new coke, where is that product now?

@prof

 

You saying you blind tested a shunyata power cable vs. a cheap $15 is a strawman also, you can’t prove it to anyone here that you actually did that.

@crymeanaudioriver 

 

You do know that these measurements came about from observation first, the measurements didn't come before observation. The science will never further if the measurements stay in stagnation, the ear/brain is more complex than the standard measurements we use for audio.

The apogee scintilla has low impedance, but it is mostly resistive and stays right around 1ohm.

@crymeanaudioriver 

 

Yes a lot of current is needed and a lot of power for higher SPL's, as the scintilla is only 85db at 1ohm, it's a little less sensitive at the 4ohm setting at 79db. They made two versions one that could be set to 4ohm or 1ohm and a version that was only 1ohm, the 1ohm version is more preferred. There are a few people on the diy forum that are direct driving them with multiple amplifiers and active crossover, I don't know if any production amps can direct drive the midrange ribbons as they are .14ohm, but a few guys over there have built amps that can direct drive them without using a resistor or a transformer, supposed to sound better direct driven.

@crymeanaudioriver

 

The Infinity IRS wasn’t the amp killer, the kappa 8 and Kappa 9 were the amp killers.

@prof 

 

I wonder if the people at ASR could pick out the difference between a dac with a signal to noise ratio of 90db vs one with with 110db in a blind test? Probably not.