Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

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fleschler

They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. 

That happens here, too, and it always activates my inner BS alarm. If you're going to accuse someone of fraud, you should have real proof. And if you have real proof, you should take some kind of legal action, however small.

ASR is just a place for measurementalists to gather. They can talk hi-fi without ever having to actually listen. It's very convenient.

asctim

... while I really appreciate reviews with measurements like ASR does, I do acknowledge that there’s a strong possibility that there are things being missed that are audible ...

That's especially true because ASR doesn't bother to listen to everything it measures. Without correlation to what we hear, the measurements don't have much value.

ASR can’t be bothered to listen to everything they measure. For that reason alone, I can’t be bothered with ASR and its agenda.

It is odd how the forks at ASR ... clamor for blind test yet none are done at ASR.

Amir & Co. believe audio equipment can be evaluated without listening, so sometimes they don't bother to listen at all - blind or otherwise.

Those who clamor most loudly for blind testing rarely undertake such evaluations themselves.

amir_asr

... I listen to every speaker, every headphone and every headphone amplifier and dac combo. That is nearly half of what I review ...

So you listen to "nearly half" of the components you "review." That’s not very impressive.

... if you are going to make outlandish claims that go against decades of audio science research and engineering, and stomp your feet ...

You seem to be the one who’s foot stomping and (as your bold face suggests) shouting, too.

As for "outlandish claims," it’s hard top your claim that you’ve "reviewed" components that you haven’t ever heard. You may be the only "reviewer" with that level of confidence. Truly odd.

noske

Plus if I don’t like it. refund that bad boy.

That policy must be particular to America. In my country, there are conditions on the reasons you may wish for and be provided a refund - not liking it is not one of them.

That’s interesting. "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back" is a common guarantee in the US, although often with a time limit.

Consumer law guarantees certain rights to both vendor and buyer which cannot be denied for a year, maybe two.

Not in the US. It's perfectly legal to offer a "cash and carry, as-is, no refund" policy.