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ATN160ml Beryllium MicroLine Stylus on AT150e body

 

link to the eBay item I bought

I wanted light 1.25g tracking, and stiff Beryllium Cantilever (best bass I ever had was Shure V15Vxmr beryllium microline, SME arm, TD124 TT, tracking was 1.0g),

I got both, and the azimuth adjustable headshell.

It is a Genuine ATN160ML Beryllium Cantilever with MicroLine Stylus

............. HOWEVER ............ I removed it from the headshell, it’s ID is on the top

The gold body is an AT150e, not a at160 body.

(they look identical, let’s say seller probably unaware)

Aligned, played 1 side of an LP I inherited, it sounds fabulous

I’ve been listening, getting ready, my AT33PTG/II boron; Sumiko Talisman Sapphire Tube both track at what I consider a heavy 2.0g

I recently found this, Julius Pepper Adams Baritone Sax player gives his Bass Player George Mraz many solos (as well as the pianist and drummer). Thin flimsy vinyl, holy smokes it’s well recorded, live in a small club.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/394462481057?_skw=julian+pepper+adams&itmmeta=01JJAKNSEMRH5RSTA48EKEPEQM&hash=item5bd7cbcaa1:g:KPYAAOSwwBRevHgc&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKm5mOT98WN8iEkaCDEa2juxlmFhTMA9SXUqqo2h92c8JDR5hiJyctsxC8A1z7ai5s6Udj57pOuiecSVvAe7clzDNejEuzRJewQu3MHZE0dLCib6smmPGzP1%2FnhDwUfEdU7Wmf3U3fjqmn6I9oaSUyLbp3DOr3WyaLiP0tK9NZa01R5CXQXCXo7%2BGnNcHTFKvlvh8ueXHsXsX6FmkB9hDu3Po6yBxVOc4vZ1b2QtchGDtK%2F8w%2BRw1wjXaB1bRlaW8WGiuDBdcPEt%2F2Bi9zoBSIYNWVJclOQMYGeyR1TKxKVCrg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMupfX05Jl

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/6312111-Various-The-Bass

https://www.discogs.com/master/204354-Cecil-McBee-Alternate-Spaces

seller has many cartridges, a few like this, so would you return it, try to get one with a true AT160 Body?

Anybody know what difference it might make?

 

elliottbnewcombjr

Showing 6 responses by westcoastaudiophile

westcoastaudiophile
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@elliottbnewcombjr "would you return it, try to get one with a true AT160 Body?"

I have original AT160ML, AT150E/Ea/MLX, and new ATN replacement styluses.. It seems original AT160ML body is earlier development, which used thinner wire, thus resistance and inductance is a bit higher than all AT150E/Ea/MLX (same body). This is a GOOD thing, because lower coil resistance/inductance reduces sensitivity to phono cable (R/L/C, shielding and phono-pre input capacitance. AT150 bodies sound clearer in the 5..20kHz region than AT160ML, in my setup using Accuphase AD2820 phono pre stage. AT150MLX (discontinued) uses the same body as AT150E, but has boron cantilever, and these days considered top of MM carts’ in mid price range!  

 

westcoastaudiophile
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listen jazz, piano, voice etc, or use Ortofon Test Record Vinyl LP if you’d prefer adv. measurements! 

westcoastaudiophile
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@elliottbnewcombjr you’re welcome! I run those ATs at 1gf without problems, after tonearm maintenance complete..

westcoastaudiophile
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@rauliruegas dear Raul, thanks for your response! All I tried to explain was a 160ml requires more attention to phono-cable&pre, and using 160ml stylus in 150e body might will work better in some scenarios.. also, subsonic cut-off filter most likely will be needed w/160ml as well. As of AT-ML180/OCC, this is the best sounding/measuring AT MM cart out all other MMs in my collection, not sure why it is not the case in your setup. ML180 diamond is the finest under my Zeiss microscope as well. //regards

westcoastaudiophile
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@rauliruegas 160ML at 200 pF loading cap resonates @ 16kHz, while 150Ea at 19kHz (ML180 res. freq. is 23kHz). you might know as there is significant phase deviation in frequencies closer to resonance point. I am tuning my phono-Rx resonances to be over listenable freq. range (20-20000 Hz). As of subsonic freq. you may look at low freq. driver membrane on empty track, unless you have transformers in sound path, you should see more membrane “silent slow” movements using 160ML. Subsonic HPF helps to remove unnecessarily sound modulation by unsymmetrical magnetic filed in speaker-driver coil interactions.

westcoastaudiophile
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@elliottbnewcombjr +1 thx for cantilever info! have you seen boron material info as well? 

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