Atma-Sphere S-30 MK3



To Atma owners and gurus;

I've just recently jumped on the Atma wagon and I must say that so far this has been the single most eye & ear opening amplifier experience in my entire audio life of almost 28 years.

The S-30mk3 has been residing in my rig for close to 4 months now and is still breaking in, but should be almost done anytime soon.

I do however complain of an un-natural tonality in general that comes and goes during the break-in period and which was also very clear from the beginning. This is also accompanied by a certain 'hardness'..much like looking directly into sunlight as opposed to looking through a pair of poloroids..This issue is really bugging me and was wondering if it's part of the break-in process of Atmasphere amps in general, as I have never experienced it with other amps, tube or SS..

This aside, the amp seems to be taking forever to break-in..!!! But, it certainly looks to be my holy grail in amplification.

Along the way, I replaced the stock Chinese 6SN7's with EH's and now settled on Tung-Sol's. The latter being the best sounding of the lot. I do wanna stick to current production tubes as much as possible. Don't wanna go on the NOS merry-go-round..:-)

The S-30 is driving a pair of Tannoy Edinburgh's, from the Tannoy Prestige Series, to wonderful effect and the sound is heavenly! Preamp is a BAT VK-3iX Special Edition and is also a very good sonic match with the S-30..

Appreciate any input and of course any advice from the Atmasphere gurus and lovers here..!

TIA

AudioGrails
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I suppose I should clarify a few things, after some emails I got regarding this thread.

With regard to options: Being audiophiles ourselves, and inveterate tinkers, we know the temptation to look under the hood and see what can be hopped up. That's the sum total of why the option packages exist- we've tried all sorts of tweaks in the amps and preamps over the years and we include them if they have been shown to have merit, unless the tweak compromises reliability. So it comes down to the resistors and capacitors- we figured out which ones work, and those are the options. To date we've not found an example of someone using a different part that outperformed them.

All our products are built with a custom copper wire that is as pure as anything else out there- by rights, we could be cable company :)

With regards to the S-30: Two things need to be considered, actually with any of our amps:

first, they are very revealing (transparent). Please, before deciding that the amp/preamp is at fault (and especially if you use digital as your only source), try a different source! I find that poor digital electronics have glare artifacts to this day and is still one of the reasons I prefer analog. OTOH a good digital system can be listened to all day, but what is a good system and what will have glare is not all that predictable- certainly price has nothing to do with it... and often what others say about it or what your own experience has been with a less transparent amp/preamp could well be irrelevant. I don't mean to insult anyone, this is just my experience over the years (FWIW, overall the amps lack a reputation for glare amongst our customers- that phenomena is always symptomatic of one of these two issues I bringing up here).

Second: Duke and others are quite right: the amp/speaker interface is **crucial** (see http://www.atma-sphere.com/papers/paradigm_paper2.html
for why. Please note that the paper is not talking specifically about our products, although they do fall into one of the two categories discussed. The S-30 is one of the smaller OTLs made and runs very little feedback (a simple way to increase the feedback is to run the unit single ended, without the shorting jumper in the XLR connector; if the amp seems to sound better, then the impedance curve of the speaker is an issue- and can well be solved by use of a set of ZEROs.), consequently it is 'load sensitive' in the same way some of Nelson Pass' 'current source' amplifiers are. If the 'glare' is at a certain frequency (for example at the crossover), a simple Zobel network can be devised to correct the matter. The S-30 is a special case in that it makes more power at higher impedances, this causes some modern speaker crossovers to not work in the way that the speaker designer intended if they are used to Voltage Paradigm rules!
Maril555, we did run into some problems with silver-plated wire and it was both brightness *and* dullness! A lot seems to depend on the wire- its gauge, how its extruded, purity, the thickness of the silver plate, etc. We've heard some that are just fine (Purist made some wire for our use at one point). Copper is a lot easier- just make it pure and don't make the gauge too big :)

Saki70, the Voltage Paradigm showed up about the same time transistors did. I'm sure that's not coincidence!

In a crossover wherein the speaker designer uses series elements to cross over the driver, the actual crossover frequency can change a little if care is not taken to be sure that the upper and lower rolloff points in question do in fact crossover enough! IOW, you often need a dip in impedance at the crossover point in order to be sure that the crossover will be effective. This will cause a loss of power in the amplifier at about the same point that both drivers will be running, hopefully resulting in flat frequency response. Its a matter of taking care- the same scenario might not work so well with a transistor amp- the crossover point might have to be adjusted.