@pstores
You should continue to post your thoughts and listening impressions as you experience them. This is an open audio topic forum and most folks come here to learn, share and discover. When you come across an excellent sounding product, you want to make others aware. Nothing wrong with that.
I have certainly done the same over the years on this forum. A few examples, Coincident components/speakers, Ocelia cables and Lavricables, Pro-Ject RS2T CD transport etc. I want to share these wonderful discoveries/experiences with fellow music lovers looking for terrific audio products. Audiogon is a great resource.
Charles
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@kuribo
You sound as if your mind is already made up. I don’t understand your logic, you seem critical and dismissive of actually listening and judging what one would hear. Of course it’s a subjective process. How could it not be? You purchase these audio products with the intent of using them to listen to and enjoy music.
How would one determine if an audio product is suitable for them if they do not listen to it? What possibly will the amplifier measurements reveal to you that exceeds the actual listening experience? I don’t follow your reasoning.
Charles
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it must be based on objective criteria. Seems this simple logical truth is just too much for some
Okay, if that’s your position, that’s fine. I don’t believe that people find objective criteria too much to accept. Rather it is inadequate in determining the sonic performance of a given audio product. Anyway, thanks and I appreciate you sharing your perspective on this forum.
Charles
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@pstores
I am looking forward to the additional listening impressions from your audiophile/music lover friends. Should be insightful and certainly fun.
Charles
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@drhamp
I can’t say they are equal to the 45/46 SETs sonically, but they are the closest that I’ve heard from a solid state amp.
Nonetheless a true compliment given what it’s up against. Very different topologies with different strengths.
Charles
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@soix
Hi,
Their power cables are marvelous sounding in my audio system.
I am utterly happy with them and IMO a very cost effective purchase. An example of a high quality product/company that flies beneath the radar.
Charles
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@soix
+1
I believe that @ricevs means well with his suggested modifications, but it's easy to be an armchair quarterback and critique the hard efforts of others. Ric have you given thought to bringing an amplifier to market loaded with all of your ideas to compete in this sector?
Charles
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Here is a real sleeper....and maybe a super amp?:
Peachtree has just released a The Gan 1 class D amp that has NO FEEDBACK....no op amps......it is pure digital. Takes PCM via coax only and converts it to PWM in software and uses GAN output stage. NO feedback.
- @ricevs
- Thanks for sharing this.
- Now this would be a fascinating contrast comparison with the Atma-Sphere amplifiers. Vastly different design and execution entirely.
No feedback vs high feedback.
- No Op-amp vs Op-amp implementation. My oh my, quite a compelling listening experience this could be.
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- I wasn’t aware that class D amplification was doable without the utilization of negative feedback
- Charles
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@pstores
I do not doubt for a moment your immense satisfaction with the Atma-Sphere amplifiers. Admittedly I have no idea what Ric has or hasn’t actually heard. I’m just intrigued by this very latest no feedback class D amplifier without the ubiquitous Op-amps usage. Did you hear this specific zero feedback design?
Thanks,
Charles
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@ghasley
The problem with those who are certain they know the “secret” to something is the fact that they just can’t stand keeping it to themselves.
+1
Beautifully put.
Charles
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@pstores
I am staying clear of the insults, anti subjectivism aspects. My only point and interest is the comparison between two quite different approaches to class D design. Ralph’s new amplifiers are receiving much positive comments and I believe deservingly warranted.
His high feedback Op-amps amplifier versus a near polar /opposite approach is something that I find compelling with regard to respective sonic presentation. All that concerns me with audio products is how do they sound? That’s why we buy them.
Charles
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Thanks for your review. The Frankie’s are a great amp. And as you said excel in certain areas. I figured your review would be as such. As the AS Class D aren’t as good as my MA-1’s in the same areas. But your findings are basically mirror mine when comparing my MA-1’s.
No surprises, and experienced listeners know that no amplifier/audio component is flawless. You listen and choose what suits you best and provides the higher degree of joy and pleasure, accepting inevitable compromises.
If the desire is for more emotion ,soul, humanity, breathe of life type of sound, a high quality SET or OTL is very difficult to match. It just always depends on what you want. Other topologies will excel in other specific sonic parameters/areas.
Charles
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@tinear123
I just cannot understand why stating your position and one possible retort with civility is not possible by some. You may be having fun being the bully of the playground, and smarter than everyone else, and while you may think you are teaching others, you are in fact disenfranchising those that are starting their audio journey and corrupting the social space this platform can enable and frankly killing the hobby.
Nice summation and sign off. Continue to enjoy the Atma-Sphere and Frankenstein amplifiers.
Charles
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@atmasphere (Ralph)
As always your explanations and insight are most appreciated and welcome. I agree with your “no accounting for taste “ as this is true. Be it audio components/music genre/food or automobiles etc. as human beings, We like what we like. 😊
Thus the multitude of choices available in our lives,
Charles
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@soix
I knew I’d regret saying something. My bad.
You have keen instincts. Trust them.
Charles
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Agree with @jjss49 and @grannyring .
Ralph is right that many do make class D "amplification" synonymous with digital and they are not.
Charles
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If you get musical satisfaction with Class D at the $1000 price point, great; if someone else gets Class D musical satisfaction at $3000, $5000 or whatever, great. There’s no right or wrong in that. Likewise, everyone is entitled to their own assessment and value criterion; again nothing right or wrong in that.
+1 @facten
We all have our biases. Even the most ardent objectivists.
Charles
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