ARE SUPER EXPENSIVE STREAMERS REALLY WORTH IT


Folks I am confused why some streamers need to be so eye wateringly expensive. I appreciate the internal basics need to be covered such as a high quality, low noise power supply and a decent processor speed etc..  but that is not rocket science.

So my question is could a decent streamer outputting its data stream via I2S to a good quality DAC receiving the I2S stream be a more cost effective way of rivalling let’s say a streamer costing 5k upwards.

I have heard and digested the argument for expensive streamers quality being centred around the management of the data timing via a quality clock circuit but there are very reasonable in relative terms, DAC’s out there that have dual super high quality temp controlled clocks within, at least the equal or arguably even better than the say a 5k streamer with some sporting dual high end DAC chips etc.

So could utilizing a good quality streamer and a separate high-quality DAC connected via I2S indeed offer significant benefits and potentially reduce the need for a very expensive streamer.

I say this with the knowledge that I2S is designed to preserve and separate the Signals so avoiding the timing issues connected with multiplexing. I2S (Inter-IC Sound) separates the music signal from the timing signal, potentially eliminating jitter or at the very least greatly reducing the possibility for the pesky music killing jitter which we all could agree would lead to improving overall sound quality.

Wouldn’t this separation ensure that the timing information is more accurately preserved, even when compared to a high price streamer, leading as clean or cleaner and more precise audio data output. With I2S, the DAC can use its own high-quality clock/s to synchronize the data, which will reduce jitter and improve sound quality.

Could this possibly mean that even if the streamer has a less advanced clock, the DAC’s superior clock can take over, ensuring best  performance.

So bang for buck would it not be advantageous to investing in a high-quality DAC and using a good but not necessarily top-tier streamer to achieve excellent sound quality without the need for an extremely expensive streamer. Surely the DAC’s performance will play a crucial role in the final sound quality.

Play gentle with the pile on please....................

nubiann

Showing 4 responses by audphile1

i2s was developed for internal connections and was never meant to be an interface between two components i.e. streamer and DAC. There are no standards defined for i2s snd that is precisely the reason why there are compatibility issues between components.

You need to understand differences between streamer types, DSP, jitter and clocking more than you need to worry about i2s.

@soix I had exactly the same experience as you when I compared DH Labs coax vs. stock cheap usb cable between Aurender N200 and Bricasti M3. The cheap USB beat the DH Labs. And it had nothing to do with the cables. The DH Labs D750 is an amazing digital cable. It’s purely the processing - coax relying on streamer clock vs USB relying on DAC clock. Same with i2s. And if you take into consideration that some use DDC to reclock USB in and output i2s to DAC then you have as clean a signal as could be. And most likely USB and coax would sound just as good, all else being equal (clean reclocked signal, etc.) 

I haven’t tried but that’s my thought process  

 

Yes @soix you are correct. I was referring to DDC or clock that is inserted between streamer and dac. It will reclock whatever input you feed it. So the i2s out of DDC into DAC will most likely sound as good as any other interface. 

@jasonbourne71 all streamers are the same. All DACs are indistinguishable from each other. Jitter is no longer an issue.