Are high sample rates making your music sound worse?


ishkabibil

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mzkmxcv, I agree with you with the exception of the vinyl to digital transfer that I mentioned above. Anyone know why that would stand as an exception?
It seems from what you said that we're somehow not living up to your standards.
ishkabibil, I wouldn't try refuting that claim but I haven't necessarily noticed that with my equipment; Ayre QB9 DSD DAC, ASR Emitter II Exclusive amp, Quad 2905 ESL's.
As I said, most anything above 96 kHz sounds wrong but in nearly every case, setting the PCM at 96 kHz sounds dead on where it should be.
It is most likely precarious by what type of equipment is being used. Various DAC filters and the like may determine whether or not up sampling is even a good idea.
tatyana, my reference to a vinyl to digital transfer wasn't to imply that this recording was good, bad or indifferent. It's just something that is different from my experiences with other digital files and I am curious as to why. Like I said, various components have there own characteristics due to filters, power outputs, etc...
Some DAC's are built for non up sampling. My DAC does up sample and so I up sample to 96 kHz in most cases.
I don't mean to imply that my equipment or opinion is superior to any one else's, just that oversampling in most situations, for me, has proven to be problematic when it comes to sound quality.
I happen to prefer DSD to PCM but I don't up sample DSD.

The nature of this topic is obviously discursive and subject to multitudes. What seems important here is that all of our experiences are valid. High resolution recordings and up sampling are nebulous, in that there may not be absolutes about what works best in all cases. Hence, my question about the playback of a vinyl to digital transfer.
I've found that up sampling to 96 kHz has never presented an issue but that above 96 kHz has and that includes recently recorded material.
A friend however gave me a CD of 'Ziggy Stardust' that was originally a MOFI JVC vinyl pressing and the higher the up sampling that I could go, the better.
ishkabibil, I use a 2011 Mac Mini with a Wire World Platinum USB cable connected to an ISO Regen with linear power supply, connected to my Ayre DAC. I also run the Audirvana Plus transport app.
I think it's important to note that I installed a Synergistic Energy Blue Fuse in my Ayre. And, I have an XLR Akiko Audio Tuning Stick in the Ayre and a USB Akiko Audio Stick in the Mac Mini.
These tweaks most notably eliminated color in the sound; rendering the sound with neutrality, breath/naturalness and faster transients. The ISO Regen added clarity and detail to the sound. I am very satisfied with the overall sound of my DAC.
I've been considering purchasing a Schiit Bifrot 16 bit DAC for a more modest system. Schiit Audio also offers a multibit Bifrost but I don't know that the added cost would really be justified.
I have a friend who said that in many ways he prefers a lower bit rate, he claims that it's easier for him to listen to. I just believe that so many variables are complex and subjective. Which is why I believe that everyone has a vote and that no one has a veto. After all, isn't that why we're sharing.
mzkmxcv
' Also, the people I’ve heard from who are in the industry, all agree that digitized vinyl sounds identical. You finding this different either means you listened to garbage conversions or your brain is telling you what you want to hear, which since you hear a benefit from going to 192kHz leads me to think it’s the latter. Open to discussion, so please find the error in my logic.'

So you are saying that I'm imagining an improvement?
mzkmxcv,
I didn't tell anybody about a file, I played the CD. I've never made claims about being a scientist. Maybe you could explain in aesthetic terms what I'm actually hearing. I have academic experience in the area of aesthetics, otherwise I'm somewhat disinterested.
mzkmxcv, 
I've played the same vinyl transfer to CD for friends and they've remarked about the improvement to the overall sound between playing it at 44 kHz and then up sampling to higher frequencies. I can see that you're absolutely certain that your opinion is factual and that dissenting views are wrong but I would make the radical assumption that many would see you're factual observations of audio without listening as presumptuous and arrogant.