Has a hot chick ever come up to you and asked to stroke your cables (your audiophile cables. Get your mind out of the gutter!)?
My wife just asked to hold my new Purist Audio power cord two nights ago. Sure, I let her. The girth and heft amazed her. Now get your mind out of the gutter! |
Here we go again.
Throw some more troll bait in the water, and let's go fishing.
Been there, done that.
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Interesting that none of the commenters on 10K+ cables and expensive
fuses has mentioned any experience listening to and comparing them...
You must be in the wrong thread. I have seen many comparisons of fuses and cables in other threads. Search for them, there are plenty out there. It would seem pointless to share any experiences in this thread. No sense feeding the trolls. |
I'm wondering, why all of the hoopla over expensive wire/fuses? Why don't we fuss over acoustic treatments more?
Wires have been the low hanging fruit in this hobby for decades now for those that enjoy a good troll thread. Fuses are relatively new to the party. It's all in good fun, some simply live to stir the hornets nest. It's the only thing that gives their lives "purpose". Welcome to the jungle!! |
ji35, by the same logic, if you bought a $100k ultradef 80" flat screen
TV, it would be logical to spend $10k-20k on a coaxial video cable?
Wait a cotton-picking minute here.....you mean they make a $100K TV???!!! Well THAT is just sick and twisted!!! What the hell is wrong with this world???!!! |
It just amazes me that these threads go on for as long as they do, resolution-free except for the claims and counters.
@asvjerry , even more amazing is that there are probably two of these "dog chases tail" threads posted a month on these forums. Amusing. ;^) |
"I guess audiophiles are still crazy, I've seen worse things..."
Such as? I think spending $100k on wires takes the cake.
Such as a $100K TV!!! |
The only profit I’m hoping for is to steer some newbie audiophile away
from these high priced high end cables, which are complete sham.
@dracule1 , did you used to post on Audio Review forums decades ago under the moniker eyespy or mtrycrafts? I ask because you come off the same way as those blokes back in the day (1990's?). Acting as if you are out trying to save the world, when inside it seems like all you really desire is a good tussle. You live for the antagonism, it gives you a natural high. You are reveling in this troll thread.......ahhh good bait!!! |
It seems you’re the one who gets off on a good tussle repeatedly trying to bait me. 😏
Now let me see, who cast out the bait? Who originally posted this toxic thread? I'm simply nibbling on your bait. I have to say that you are a Master Baiter. Gracias, señor
These anti-cable toxic threads pop up once or twice a month, usually by someone looking for a good argument. ;^) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y |
^^^ It's Jim Carrey. Your ignorance is excused pennsy.
No knowledge to be garnered on a cable thread, might as well add some levity. ;^)
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The forum is for intelligent advice!
Then why are you here pennsy? You've shown no ability to provide any advice. Spelling isn't your only problem, you struggle with grammar as well. Hopefully, English is not your first language. If it is, you write at a 3rd grade level. Just because you suck up to and agree with the OP does not make you right. That is the fun part of cable debates, nobody wins, nobody loses. The wheel just goes round and round. I've been watching this debate spin for decades now. You have brought nothing new to the table, besides your petty bitterness towards me. All you are doing is pissing in the wind. Enjoy!! |
mapman13,395 posts06-13-2016 10:31pm It’s called having a rational discussion. Sorry mapman, if you are looking for a rational discussion, you took a wrong turn somewhere. You’re lost, no rational here. "You spent too much" "No I didn’t" "You spent too much" ’No I didn’t" Sounds more like a domestic dispute to me. Different thread, same old song and dance. ;^) |
JMc, Who are you quoting?
Not me I think I don’t recall ever saying anyone specifically spent too much money. It’s completely up to them what they choose to buy obviously.
The original quote about looking for rational was yours. The rest of the comments about spending too much or not is simply the general theme of ALL of these type of cable threads. The names change, but the basic comments stay the same. "Wire is wire" "No, it's not" Same as it ever was, year after year, decade after decade.....
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It is incorrect to use % in the assessment of the sound.
+1. I always get a chuckle when I see someone trying to quantitate sound. |
Drac, if you love dogs, here this will get you riled up. It makes $100K cables look pedestrian! Who loves their dogs??!! You don’t really love them unless the have a exquisite dog collars from “I Love Dogs Diamonds” . 3 models to choose from starting at $498,000 and going up to $3,200,000....for a dog collar. What’s that? Can’t hear you Drac. Hahahahahahahahahaha. http://www.leibish.com/diamonds-for-dogs-article-400 I enjoy how you qualify *rational* people. They are simply those people that agree with your way of thinking. In my mind, *rational* people are those that understand that there are differences between people, and accept that others choices should be left up to them. *Irrational* people, are people like you Drac, that get frustrated when you find people that do not agree with everything that you feel to be *right*, and have a burning desire to try to make everything *right* in the world by trying to change those people. Expand you mind, expand your horizons, expand your world. Accept others for what they are, and enjoy your life. Stop trying to change others to fit your mold of what should be. As Frankie Goes To Hollywood would say: R-E-L-A-X. |
I think @almarg summed it up best in his post on 6-03-2016, referencing a post of his on another thread from 3-15-2016. As Al so eloquently put it:
Can everyone agree on most or all of the following, and then perhaps this less than constructive discussion can be concluded:
1)Wires
sound different, to a greater or lesser degree depending not only on
the wire but on the technical characteristics of what they are
connecting, their lengths, the AC voltage and noise characteristics at
the particular location in the case of power cords (at least), the
system, the room, the recording, and the listener.
2)For many
reasons, including synergy with the aforementioned variables, the
correlation between cable price and cable performance is significantly
less than 1.0 (i.e., significantly less than perfect).
3)Based in
part on a substantial body of anecdotal evidence that has accumulated
over the years, the correlation between cable price and cable
performance is significantly greater than 0.0 (i.e., significantly
greater than none).
4)It seems evident that some cables are
overpriced, one reason among several being that their prices are
determined in part based on what the market will bear. And it seems
evident that SOME segment of the market assumes a higher degree of
correlation between cable price and cable performance than is actually
the case, and that segment of the market will therefore pay higher
prices to achieve results that may (with sufficient experimentation) be
achievable at lower prices in their particular cases.
5)Additional
reasons that cables may in many cases be overpriced relative to the
benefit they are likely to provide (I’m quoting from myself in the
following thread from a couple of years ago; and pardon the redundancy
with some of the points mentioned above):
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/small-cable-companies-making-preposterous-claims
(a)As seems to be generally agreed by most audiophiles, cable performance is highly system dependent.
(b)From
a technical standpoint, it can be expected that cable performance will
vary significantly depending on the technical characteristics of the
components that are being connected, such as impedances. Even to the
point of a comparison between two cables yielding exactly opposite
results depending on what they are connecting. In past threads, such as this one,
I have cited examples of situations in which exactly that can be
expected to occur. [See especially both of the paragraphs in my post in
that thread dated 12-15-2012 which begin with "one interesting
example"].
(c)It seems to be generally agreed by most audiophiles
that cable performance cannot be either fully explained or fully
predicted based on generally recognized science. It follows from that,
however, that the cable designers have no way to accurately predict the
point of demarcation between optimization of a given cable parameter or
design characteristic and what may be overkill of that parameter or
design characteristic, which will accomplish nothing in most or all
applications. Therefore it can be expected that what is likely to be a
significant driver of the cost of many very expensive cables is overkill
of some or all of their design parameters and characteristics, which
will accomplish nothing in most or all applications.
6)It
can be expected that if SOME audiophiles whose cable experience has
focused disproportionately on the higher part of the price spectrum were
to give equal opportunity to a variety of cables at lower price points,
and experiment with such cables as extensively as they do with higher
priced cables, there is a significant chance that they may be able to
achieve performance comparable to what they have achieved at those
higher price points at significantly lower price points. A substantial
body of anecdotal evidence that has been reported here and elsewhere
supports that conclusion, for example the threads about vintage Western
Electric wires.
7)It can be expected that if SOME audiophiles
whose cable experience has focused disproportionately or entirely on the
lower part of the price spectrum were to focus on the higher part of
the price spectrum they might in some cases, depending in part on their
equipment, be surprised at how good the results are. A substantial body
of anecdotal evidence that has been reported here and elsewhere supports
that conclusion
8)Some audiophiles care more than others about
achieving the last 5 or 10 or 20% of the performance their components
are capable of. Some are satisfied with 80% and just want to listen to
music. Both approaches are equally valid.
9)Assertions that wire is just wire are erroneous, and that belief should not be promulgated.
10)Assertions
that more expensive necessarily = better are also erroneous, and that
belief should not be promulgated, by implication or otherwise.
11)Just
as not all audible differences are measurable, not all measurable
differences are audible. I say that in connection with measurable
differences that are presented in some marketing literature.
12)An
assertion that spending more on cables rather than less increases the
**probability** of achieving optimal results is arguably correct, but
pronouncements to that effect are not gospel. And opinions to the
contrary, if presented in a respectful manner, can and should be
discussed in a respectful manner.
Regards,
-- Al
Nothing more really needs to be said. It pretty much covers every cable debate, every time. |
