ARC Ref 5se inferior to LS28?

This is what a big dealer told me the other day. Dealer speak or right on the money? Would very much like to hear opinions of the many knowledgeable ARC users on Audiogon. Thanks

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cleeds Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 6,070 posts 04-08-2017 at 04:14pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete analogluvr3 Exactly. Tube design isn't exactly progressing further as the manufacturers would try to have you believe. That's not entirely true. For example, the KT-150 tube wasn't available when ARC released the D-79. Similarly, the 6H30 tube wasn't available when ARC introduced the SP-10 preamp. Other components - especially capacitors - have also improved with time.
cleeds Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 6,070 posts 04-05-2017 at 09:37pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete schubert04-05-2017 5:28pm A pretty smart scientist said," what you can measure doesn't matter, what matters you can't measure' . Science is as much a religion as religion is Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. You're not quoting a famous scientist; you're quoting Robert McNamara, a businessman. Worse, your "quote" is a paraphrased misquote of what he said, which ended with: " The fourth step is to say that what can't be easily measured really doesn't exist. This is suicide." To suggest that religion is as inherently valid as science is absurd. Scientific facts can be repeated. Religion is based on faith. But we are way OT here and, as you already stated: You need not take me seriously
cleeds Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 6,070 posts 04-05-2017 at 08:48pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete randy-1104-05-2017 4:18pm ... the most famous is the price of BMWs during the 1980s. In the 1970s and earlier they used ot cost about the same as a Buick; but sales actually increased greatly as prices rose steeply. This isn't scientific, because you have multiple variables, including the infamous decline in quality of American cars during this same period. In fact, just as the sales of BMWs went up, almost all foreign auto manufacturers gained US market share during the same period, and for the same reason. You could also read Veblin's Theory of the Leisure Class That's a pretty old text, but still valid. What Robert J. Stanley did was develop current data on wealth. I encourage you to read some of it. A lot changed during the 20th century. But, we are drifting far OT here.
cleeds Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 6,070 posts 04-05-2017 at 06:31pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete schubert04-05-2017 12:12pm Seen it happen a hundred times on everything from autos to audio ,watches to rings , shoes to suits . So has everybody else who pays attention I pay attention, schubert ... I pay plenty of attention. So I don’t know who you refer to when you reference "everybody." I trust Thomas J. Stanley’s hard data much more than your solitary claim. But, feel free to share some of your data with all of us here and maybe I’ll take you seriously. I'd surely like to see your data about $50,000 suits and shoes! As I said, there are many mistaken notions about wealth. Researcher Stanley admits he harbored them, too ... until he did the actual research!
cleeds Details Discussions Posts This discussion Message User 6,070 posts 04-05-2017 at 01:16pm Copy Comment URL Report Comment Edit Delete schubert There are not a few people that will buy something that costs 50K who would not touch exact same item were it priced at 25K Do you have anything that supports this claim? There are many mistaken notions about wealth and wealthy people. The researcher Thomas J. Stanley did some of the groundbreaking work in this area, and his data certainly conflicts with your claim.

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