A review of NWO-4.0SE in Fidelity, a Scandinavian high-end magazine, appears to reinforce some of my superlatives. APL has obtained permission to post the Google translation of that review on the APL forum: http://www.aplhifi.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=5031&highlight=#5031 Hopefully, an approval will be granted for someone to post a better translation.
APL Hi-Fi NWO-4.0SE CD Player Review
I've enjoyed several of Alex Peychev's creative digital designs in the past five years, including two excellent APL 3910 upgrades and five cutting-edge versions in the NWO series. Each succeeding iteration was a significant improvement over the previous one. I have now lived with the upgrade from the NWO-3.0SE to the NWO-4.0SE for eight months and I feel that it deserves a more careful comprehensive review. In its time, my 3.0SE was first-rate. But the spectacular 4.0SE surpasses it now in every major sonic characteristic and, in my opinion, represents the new digital milestone.
The set up for this review is my current primary system (2 channel only) consisting of Wilson Audio Maxx2, Boulder 2060 amp, APL Hi-Fi NWO-4.0SE CD player connected directly to the amp, Pure Power 2000 AC re-generator, Nordost QX4, Kubala-Sosna Elation interconnects and speaker cables, three Elrod Statement Gold power cords and one regular Statement, Critical Mass Systems Diamond rack and a Platinum* QXK amp platform, dedicated AC lines, and a dedicated Rives level 2 listening room which was featured (along with two other Rives rooms) in the October 2008 issue of Home Entertainment. The 23.5'x21'x9'H room has thick carpet/pad on a concrete floor, built-in floor-to-ceiling bass traps in each corner, angled side bookcase complexes that deflect first reflections and serve as additional bass traps, panels to control slap echoes, and columns and RPG devices on walls and ceiling for diffusion. The electronic equipment is in a separate adjoining room. Speaker cables run through "mouse holes" in the baseboard, and three small cabinet-style glass doors between the two rooms provide easy access to the equipment.
What is most unique about the 4.0SE is the "aliveness" of its reproductions.....its startling realism. By that I mean something more than its life-like rhythm, pace and its inspiration to get up and dance. I'm referring to the perception of a visceral experience that accompanies every note.....Not just the chest-crushing bass notes. When a note is struck, it is not confined to a flat plane. Instead, you have the sense that the air is being projected outward from the 3-dimensional instrument.....The sense of a sonic burst that propels pulsating ripples that cause the air molecules to sway in sync with the music. Every note is a spray of sonic nectar that is as captivating as a visual explosion of sparkling lights at a Fourth of July celebration.
This quality of "aliveness" of the 4.0SE is made possible by Mr. Peychev's effective implementation of twenty (20) 32-bit AKM DACs per channel, proprietary circuit boards, tube output stage, and power supplies. The enormous resolving power inherent in the 4.0SE is capable of superb resolution of harmonic textures, dynamic shadings and gradations, transient peaks and decays.
Reproducing transients is a challenge. It is all too common in high end components for the peaks to be abnormally sharp points that appear to "enhance" the resolution artificially, and sound piercing. That is not what I hear at live jazz or classical concerts. In real life, a transient peak has a vibratory texture, not a sharp or blunt point. With the 4.0SE, I hear natural sharp peaks without the unpleasant piercing quality.
Equally important in the anatomy of an attack, is the rise before the peak. Lesser components are not able to handle rapid dynamic changes effectively. Consequently, a rapid rise of a crisp transient is compressed.....producing a "slow" smeared rise, an unnaturally sharp or blunt peak, compromised transient agility and clarity, and a characteristic electronic signature. The 4.0SE's linearity of dynamic gradations is impressive. (Obviously, the quality of amp and speaker drivers plays a role here as well.) The rise is reproduced cleanly without perceptible compression. Quick clean rises together with highly resolved peaks contribute significantly to the startling realism. For example, I've listened to track #1 on The All Star Percussion Ensemble (FIM, GS DXD 002) numerous times. Although I know what's coming, nonetheless, I'm pleasantly startled again and again.
What is even more outstanding is the NWO-4.0SE's resolving power when reproducing super-rapid sequences of notes. You experience the rise and peak of each individual note before you hear it blend with the subsequent notes. My favorite test for this resolution is the dazzling performance by pianist George-Emmanuel Lazaridis of Frantz Liszt's Campanella (LINN, CKD 282, SACD, track #4). Even when the pianist is going a hundred miles a minute, with the 4.0SE each note is clean, clear and crisp.....and the decays are absolutely glorious.
For me, how a component reproduces the decay of a note is just as vital as how it renders the attack and its peak. The 3.0SE excelled with decays, but the 4.0SE raises this performance a notch or two. One test that I use for decays of high frequency notes is the first 2 minutes of track #11 on Super Sound II (FIM XR24 067). With the 4.0SE in the system, each and every strike on the triangles and xylophones is crystal clear. The rise is fast and the peaks are clearly defined. The extended highs are open and airy, pure and sweet, sparkling and mesmerizing. The decays are stronger, perceptibly longer, and more transparent. The resolution and clarity of the tonal texture is phenomenal. The notes burst into a rainbow of delicate decays that linger long enough to interweave and form a rich tapestry of colors, and then slowly fade and merge into silence.
For a dramatic display of decays on rapid runs on the piano, listen to track #4 of the above LINN disc. The decays are clean and transparent. You can "see" into their harmonic texture and easily hear the interaction between the decays of different notes as they float and linger, merge and mingle, ebb and flow, to create kaleidoscopic changes of tonal colors.....an exquisite symphony of ethereal tones and their subtle dynamics. Simply sublime.
Over the years, with dozens of changes of tweaks and components, I've experienced changes in the relative emphasis between the attack and decay of notes. Some components/tweaks emphasize the attack more, while others favor the decay. With the 4.0SE in the system, I get a more natural balance between the two. Similarly, there is now a better and more natural relationship between the notes and their ambiant reflections within the recording venue, due largely to the increased resolution of ambiance.
Note: While evaluating the top octave, I was not hearing as clear of a sparkle as I expected. I first suspected that the 4.0SE might be rolling off the highs. After exhaustive testing, I discovered that the reflections and/or slap echoes off the top of the wall behind the listening position were masking the highs. With some RPG devices installed, I now have my sparkle.
All of the above elements, taken together, contribute to the "aliveness" quality of the 4.0SE. Not far behind, is another remarkable quality: its immense sound stage and convincing imaging.
In a review of a previous version of the NWO, I wrote "the sound stage became explosive; it grabs your attention. On excellent recordings of large orchestras or choral groups (e.g., The Sound of Glory, Telarc, SACD), the side walls disappear creating a perceived stage width greater than 21 feet (the width of the front wall). The front wall disappears revealing a perceived stage depth that can extend at least 30 feet from the listening position; with the instruments at the rear of the stage clearly lit like they have never been before. This is spectacular! The huge sound stage is enhanced by the spot-on focused images of instruments and voices, with clean space between them. The pristine images appear and disappear in choreographed fashion on the stage. These visual images are like the ghosts of Muses dancing in perfect synchrony with the music."
How did the 4.0SE improve on this description? The sound stage is even more expansive in both width and depth. Its sides are uniformly lit.....eliminating the previous truncation. The instruments are clearly delineated and separated left to right. For example, you can hear the individual violins clearly separated in an orchestra (track #1, Super Sound, FIM XR24 066). The back of the stage is now better lit, creating a more transparent see-through clarity for the depth dimension. The front-to-back depth resolution is phenomenal. It is absolutely dramatic on track #1 of The All Star Percussion Ensemble. It appears to me that this front-to-back dimension is aided in no small measure by the sense that each note is projected outward from the instrument including in the front-to-back direction. Instrumental images are now more finely focused, are more solid and stable, have 3-D bodies in 3-dimensional space with ample air around them, and appear to propel their sound 3-dimensionally. The 3-D experience is fantastic. It's not just a wall of sound, but an ocean of sound. It's not like the 3-dimensional illusion of film on a flat screen, but more like a holographic landscape. This was innocently recognized by my 8-year old grand daughter when she visited me recently and heard the 4.0SE for the first time. After playing a short piece, with her seated in the sweet spot, I asked what she thought of it.Without any further input from me, she immediately replied: "I not only hear it, I'm in it."
Another exciting characteristic of the 4.0SE is its stunning bass. Let's start with Master of Chinese Percussion (LIM K2HD 033). When I first heard this CD on my 3.0SE, I wrote in my notes: "When the drum is struck, I feel the powerful impact of the waveform hitting my chest; and I hear the mallet contact the drum membrane, the response of the membrane, the resulting musical waveform, the resonance of the drum's body, and the changes in the tautness of the membrane depending on how close to its boundary the drum was struck. All are distinct events, unfolding sequentially in real time...in a split second!"
What can the 4.0SE add to such magnificent achievement? To begin with: superior pitch and punch. Added weight, drive and power produce a more palpable punch. With better definition, the pitch of the bass notes is more easily discerned; so is room ambiance, and the texture of the drum membrane. Second, the exemplary resolution of rapid runs that I noted above for mid and high frequency notes, is also manifested for bass notes. It's now easier to hear the closely bunched strikes on the drum membrane by multiple drummers as a rapid succession of individual strikes instead of a mash. Third, the quality of bass extends deeper with the 4.0SE. For example, on track #7 on Mickey Hart's Planet Drum (Rykodisc RCD 10206), there is a very low frequency note that is struck several times. It's so low, I feel it more than I hear it. It is now more impactful and I can feel the cycles of its vibration more clearly.
Note: While I was evaluating its bass performance, I had thought for a while that the 4.0SE is a bit soft and slightly bloated in a particular region of the bass. However, when I played test tones at different frequencies, I discovered that the two semi-circular columns that I use for diffusion were vibrating much more intensely than the wall in the 65Hz to 75Hz region. They were like two activated organ pipes that were skewing the frequency spectrum. When I pulled the columns one and a half inches away from the wall, thereby opening up their enclosed cavity, they quieted down. The bass improved and the rest of the spectrum gained some added clarity. The moral of the story: Check the rest of the set-up before faulting an individual component.
In addition to the above qualities and achievements, the 4.0SE displays many others, in large orchestral works as well as small ensemble and solo recordings: Huge dynamic range.....from a wispy decays merging with silence to spectacular orchestral climaxes (Holst, The Planets, Mehta, JVCXR-0228-2); The naturalness, ease and effortlessness in reproducing a complex of textures and intensities; Amazing ambiance that transports you in time and space to the original performance (Cantate Domino, PRSACD 7762); Resolving enough to reproduce the subtle waves that undulate within the cymbal's decaying shimmer (Quality of Silence, DMP, SACD-04); The dance-like agility and fluidity to capture the magical flow of music; Refinement and grace to delight the senses and the heart; A pallet rich enough to convey the artistic aesthetic of the composer and performer; A balance of frequencies, intensities, timings, and all ingredients so that nothing calls undue attention to itself.....All in the service of creating a wonderful seamless organic wholeness, a soundscape that is alive and pulsating as one. Serving music. Soothing the soul.
In the end, it's all about experiencing pure music. The NWO-4.0SE has proven itself to be an effective means to that end. It doesn't seem to have an obvious flaw or a character of its own. Like a chameleon, it reflects the character of the encoded musical impulses. In short, it's a magnificent instrument that enables me to melt into my music, pure sublime music! Congratulations and kudos to Alex Peychev, its creator.
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Hi John (jafox) - A strong Plan B is as John (Puremusic) says- ALex's new SS DAC and a transport or server. If your choice is transport, I would seriously find a used Esoteric of some sort. The Denon transport and laser are awful compared to a decent Esoteric transport, especially the UX-1 or X0-1. I compared them (and actually still have my modded Denon in the basement somewhere) and the difference in the actual sound quality is huge, or at least it was in my system. I currently am using a UX-1 modded to a UX-1pi by Esoteric, feeding into an APL SUPER-DAC 4.0SE prototype Alex built for me about 9 months ago, complete with the E182CC tubes, 20 32-bit DACs/side, etc., etc. Still waiting for the finished product, but waiting with a big smile as I enjoy some of the finest sounds my system has ever produced. Keep us posted if there's any way we can assist your re-settlement. No, I will NOT donate my SUPER-DAC prototype at this time, for ANY price!! So far I think its a 1-of-a-kind. :-) |
Hi Earflappin: I'm in San Clemente. I'm loving it....the weather and just a few minutes from the beach. I grew up in So Cal but it feels kinda strange to be living here all these years later. I won't get settled into a house here until next summer so no fancy in-home music reproduction for me until then. And yes, the down turn in the RE market here is to my advantage. The MN RE market did not at all take a hit like it did here. Interesting report on the Elgar 6006B. I've never heard of it. Each of the CAT JL-3 amps needs its own 20A circuit. And I have wondered what a Running Springs Duke conditioner might do for each. But it also means 2 more $$ power cords. So far the Dream State Dream Catcher is the killer power cord for all my tube components...and the Veridical for the APL Denon player. It all gets costly so quickly. So if anybody here would like to donate their NWO-4.0SE when they move up to the next APL model, I can provide very affordable vacation accommodations here in Paradise. 8-) |
John (Jafox), I'm glad that you are still enjoying your APL player. The E182CC tubes in the NWO-4.0SE are very linear, I've been very happy with them. When I had the APL player with the ECC99 tubes, I tried a supped-up version of that tube which was much better sonically. I still have some fond memories of that player. However, from all indications, for about the same cost today, a transport or server plus Alex's new DAC is miles ahead of that player sonically. Thanks for your compliments. Peace, John |
Earflappin, Alex is a perfectionist. All his hard work and creativity paid off in the NWO-4.0SE. It's a masterpiece! You are right about some of the elements from the boutique 4.0SE trickling down to his more affordable digital. Alex's new DAC incorporates many of those elements and should be a winner. Thanks for your kind words. Peace, John |
Alex, Richard Rives did a great job on my room. Using his instruments he first diagnosed my room's problems and then created a room treatment design that addressed those problems. After I implemented his design, he returned with his instruments to determine if additional modifications needed to be made. His measurements showed that the room response was significantly improved. The bass response was just about where I wanted it. Richard nailed it the first time! The room is now capable of revealing subtle musical nuances. Brent Butterworth, who reviewed my room for Home Entertainment magazine, concluded that it is a high performance room. I'm quite happy with it. Many thanks for your kind compliment! Peace, John |
Jafox, good to hear from you and congrats on the new job in So Cal. Where exactly in So Cal will you be? I have the PurePower 2000 and can vouch for it's performance. That being said I bought an old Elgar 6006B for $200 used (they normally sell for $1000) for my Atma Sphere amps based on the recommendation of the designer. It is audibly better with the Atma's than either the PP or the all directly. Even with the latest current regulation circuit my Atma's would hum with the PP. The Atma's run in Class A and draw large amounts of continuous current. Good luck with your move. Hopefully with the state of the RE market you can get a good house at a good price, one that affords you the potential for a dedicated listening room. |
Great review John. So nice to see your contributions here again. It's great to see that the NWO design has successfully incorporated the ECC182 tubes. The ECC99 was dreadful in the Denon APL player. There is no way I would ever go back to that after discovering the 7062 and then later, the 12BH7. I know this created quite a stir with Alex, but these tubes have worked flawlessly for me for 3 years now. Thanks again John for sharing your findings. The NWO player is way beyond my budget, but I still thoroughly enjoy the APL player I have. And I still have not had a chance to try the APS Pure Power conditioner but I will. I am now in So Cal for a new job and once I get into a house, and get my system shipped out from MN and installed here, I'll be back in audio heaven. John |
John, congrats on your new room. Looks fantastic and Im sure sounds great. I rode the NWO train from the 2.0 to the 3.0GO model before selling it and going a different direction. I am also thrilled with the sound Im now getting from my system. From what Ive read in this thread, the NWO4.0SE is a big step forward technologically and sonically from the 3.0GO. I would love to hear it someday in my system. I do think the output stage in many DACs is a weak link and I have always liked Alexs approach with the transformer coupled tube output stage. Obviously, this is far from the only aspect of his design that sets it apart. During my time as an APL Hi-Fi customer I found Alex to be responsive, professional, extremely knowledgeable and fun to deal with. He helped me take my system to another level and for that I am grateful. Yes, he went through a challenging period where he became less responsive, and I like many others expressed my concern. But, we all hit rough patches in life, and the true test is what we do in those situations. As far as I can tell Alex dealt with his issues, stuck with his vision and customers and is now in a better/stronger position. Well done I say. While the boutique nature of the NWO series is not for everyone, the audiophile industry is the better off IMHO for people like Alex who push the state of the art regardless of cost. It appears this technology will find its way into a more mainstream priced DAC soon and that should be interesting. Peace also, Earflappin |
Pete, Thanks for your compliments and for sharing your observations about the 4.0SE. Please post your assessment when your 4.0SE breaks in completely. Mine took between 500 and 600 hours, so you are not far from that. Yet there was something different about the 4.0 that that went beyond this and defied my traditional listening criteria.In writing this review, I found myself in exactly the same predicament. The traditional parameters did not define the uniqueness and essence of what Alex accomplished in the 4.0SE design. My description was my best effort at explaining what I think is responsible for its superb level of sonic realism. Namely, the sense of the "projection" of the notes into a 3-dimensional space and their realistic trajectory: uncompressed and non-smeared rise, open and explosive but not piercing peaks, and decays with clear harmonic texture that linger and interact with other decays before fading softly into silence. There is a need for a new language that represents the topology of this trajectory more accurately. You named 5 of the 13 criteria you use to evaluate audio components. If you don't mind sharing them, I would be interested in knowing the remaining 8 criteria you use. Peace, John |
Frank, Thanks for the compliment! The acoustics of my room, along with 2 other Rives' rooms, were reviewed in the October 2008 issue of Home Entertainment. There are photos of my room on pages 65 and 66. By the way, the reviewer's conclusion was complimentary: "This room is the audio equivalent of an F1 car--something designed purely for performance...." With permission, those photos appear in this Rives link: http://rivesaudio.com/examples/john_led/finish.html The room is essentially the same but the equipment, except for the NWO, has change to the line up in the second paragraph of my review. Peace, John |
Alex. "I use cables that are rated at 3pF per meter. This is considered very low". I can't seem to find any cables with capacitance that low or even close to that. Where did you get yours? I've been using Stage 3 Concepts Vacuum Ref. between my NWO 4.0SE and Lamm monos with excellent results but I'd like to try some low capacitance XLR's. John. Excellent review. I really enjoyed it. Sure would like to see a picture of your room. Frank |
It was not of course not "dynamicly shy" in a general sense. It was better in this aspect than my Zanden combination. The term was used to point out that the differance up to the Goldmund however was not small. The 3.0GO was only here for one day, but it was plugged in for 4-5 hours before we started listening to it. The same was also the case with the Krell Evolution II preamplifier used with the Goldmund. The Krell preamplifier arrived here at the same time and had the same warm up period as the 3.0GO before we started listening to it. Thanks, |
Roysen, In your first post above, you characterized the 3.0GO's presentation as "almost dynamicly shy". I'm perplexed by that description because my experience with the 3.0GO was that it was very dynamic. You can read the 3.0GO thread on the APL forum and see that other 3.0GO owners agreed with my assessment (http://www.aplhifi.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=704). What could account for this difference of perception? I'm assuming the 3.0GO that you heard in your system was sufficiently burnt-in. Since you were making a serious audition, I'm also assuming that you gave the 3.0GO a proper warm-up and stabilization period. I have found that when a component is unplugged for even a few hours, it could take a few days for it to stabilize and reach its peak potential after it's plugged back in. That is one reason why most rooms at high-end audio shows don't sound so good on the first day, and then improve on succeeding days. If the 3.0GO did not get a proper stabilization period, then your CD player (if it was plugged in and at its peak before the 3.0GO's arrival) would have had an unfair advantage. And that perhaps could account for the discrepancy in perception and invalidate the comparison. How many days did you have the 3.0GO plugged in before doing your critical comparison with your own CD player? Peace, John |
Alex, To clarify even further. Its is not so that I was not impressed with the 3.0GO in general context. It certainly is a very good player. However in context with this review it seems the APL 4.0SE is outstanding. I did not find the 3.0GO in that exhalted level when compared with the Goldmund Eidos Reference. I did however still consider it as an option for me for DVD-A/DVD-V/DAD playback. Thanks, |
I was impressed with the 3.0GO performance but as you know I was looking for a DVD-A/DVD-V compatible player and it was in that context the comment was made. On CD playback it was also better than my Zanden 2000P/5000S combination but the Goldmund Eidos Reference was clearly better. Thanks for your comments, |
Hello Roysen, At one point I thought about buying the 3.0GO but was not that convinced when I finally heard it. I now certainly need to hear the 4.0SE. Funny you should say that. I was under the impression that you were very impressed with the 3.0-GO considering the email you sent me after the audition with Mr. Lindvall in your own house. Here is a partial quote from your email that may possibly refresh your memory: >>"Dear Alex, I am a friend of S. A. Lindvall. He was visiting me on Saturday and had brought along his APL NWO-3.0GO. I own a Goldmund Eidos Reference and the Zanden 2000P/5000S combination myself which I use with either the Connoisseur Defintions 3.0 or Tube Research Labs Platinum Golden Triode Reference preamplifiers. I was very impressed with the APL player and have the possibility to buy a used donor Esoteric UX-1 to send to you for rebuild to NWO-4.0SE. I do have a couple of questions regarding options and functionality"..........<< Alex, could you please tell us something about the differances in the DAC chips compared to the the previously used. The 3.0-GO and 3.0-SE used the same first-generation 32 bit AKM DAC chips - the AK4397. The 4.0-SE uses the second-generation 32 bit DACs - the AK4399. The latter is a completely re-designed DAC chip, starting with its front-end digital processing/filtering/volume control, unique Delta/Sigma modulator and SCF analog output stage featuring 32 levels D/A conversion, two per channel (balanced). The AK4399 works in Mono mode, resulting in up to 10db better channel separation. In audiophile language this translates to a huge 3D soundstage. But this is not everything! The 4.0-SE also features a completely re-designed Master Clock generator. AKM did it again with their unique modulators! I cannot describe the final result better than it has been already done by Puremusics brilliant review. Have you ever considered using the Sabre ESS chips? No, but I cannot elaborate any further, sorry! Let me just say that, in my opinion, AKM DAC and ADC technology is superior. Best wishes, Alex Peychev www.aplhifi.com |
Thanks for the clarifications. I am sorry about my lack of knowledge and unawareness of the 3.0-SE version. Mr. Lindvall is also very pleased with his upgraded 4.0SE and the list of upgrades from the 3.0GO is very impressive. At one point I thought about buying the 3.0GO but was not that convinced when I finally heard it. I now certainly need to hear the 4.0SE. Alex, could you please tell us something about the differances in the DAC chips compared to the the previously used. Have you ever considered using the Sabre ESS chips? Thanks again for the great review |
Hello Roysen, Greatly written review.Thank you for your kind comment about my review. I did however miss exactly what soundwise improvements you gained from upgrading from the APL NWO-3.0GO which was its real name (GO as in Game Over). Strange that you as an owner should not know the name.Actually as the owner, I do know the correct name of the player I was comparing the NWO-4.0SE to in my review above. It is the NWO-3.0SE not the NWO-3.0GO. The 3.0GO was 3 generations ago. If you are interested in the huge sonic improvements of the 3.0SE over the 3.0GO, you can read the comments of several owners including myself at the following link: http://www.aplhifi.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=731 The owners who upgraded their 3.0GO to the 3.0SE thought the improvements were huge across the board. From those comments and my comparisons of the 4.0SE and the 3.0SE in my review you could extrapolate and compare the 4.0SE with the 3.0GO. It would be best if you have an opportunity to audition the 4.0SE in your own system. Otherwise, if you own any of the CDs I referred to in my review, you can play those in your system and compare the level of resolution you hear with my description of what I heard in my system. That may provide some information about our systems, but not necessarily the CD player in particular. So I wonder what imorovments the the 4.0SE has brought over the 3.0GO. The transport is the same. The DAC construction is the same. The cabinet is the same. The transformers are the same.Among the major changes that you overlooked is the redesigned tubed output stage using new NOS tubes, the E182CC. Please enlighten me.I hope I have shed some light for you. For other technical changes, perhaps you could ask Alex. Peace, John |
Hi Roysen, The 4.0-SE is a totally different machine compared to the 3.0-GO with the following differences: 1. New Master Clock 2. New wiring 3. New DAC chips 4. New DAC board assembly 5. New wiring 6. New tube output stage with the vintage E182CC tubes 7. New digital data re-routing PCB on the DSP board 8. New Digital Input Receiver (the digital input) 9. Improved power supplies Mr. Lindvall who let you audition the 3.0-GO has the 4.0-SE already that was recently reviewed in the Fidelity Hi-Fi magazine. Since you are in Norway, I think it is easy to hear the 4.0-SE and find the best answer to your questions. BTW, unlike all-solid-state gear youre talking about, please dont forget that the NWO is output-transformer-coupled, so, next time, please use low-capacitance interconnect cables. BTW2, you have not heard the 3.0-SE which also featured most of the above upgrades except the new Master Clock and new second generation 32 bit DACs. The 3.0-SE was also a major improvement over the 3.0-GO so you have a lot to listen for. :-) Best, Alex Peychev www.aplhifi.com |
Hi, Greatly written review. I did however miss exactly what soundwise improvements you gained from upgrading from the APL NWO-3.0GO which was its real name (GO as in Game Over). Strange that you as an owner should not know the name. I had the 3.0GO here and compared it directly connected balanced to my Krell MRAs with my Goldmund Eidos Reference RCA connected to a Krell Evolution II connected balanced to my Krell MRAs (no CAST connection). The differance was not small. The Goldmund/Krell combination was much more open and clean (like cleaning a window sensation). Dynamics were crisper and more explosive. Attack and decay were more natural compared to the APLs almost dynamicly shy presentation. So I wonder what imorovments the the 4.0SE has brought over the 3.0GO. The transport is the same. The DAC construction is the same. The cabinet is the same. The transformers are the same. Please enlighten me. BTW, my GNSC statement modified Wadia 270SE and Wadia Series 9 Decoding Computer (upgrsded to 922) is even better than the Goldmund Eidos Reference/Krell Evolution II when the Wadia combination is connected balanced directly to my Krell MRAs. Thanks, Roysen Thanks, Roysen |
Lokie, Besides the transport, what are the differences between the 4.0SE and tthe DAC S? After a quick look at your website, the output stage, w the Luhndall Transformers, look the same. The VRDS-NEO transport has a companion called Digital Signal Processing). It is a PCB mounted at the bottom of the transport. It takes care of decoding the information that is on the disc. This board is highly upgraded. This includes new multi-clock generator, digital signal re-routing and passive components upgrade. The amount of work needed just for the DSP board upgrade is enormous (all hand-made), and results in much-better-than-stock performance, even when the NWO is used as a digital transport only. Other than that, the 4.0-SE has more DACs per channel, H-Attenuator and output stage built with the vintage E182CC tubes. The tube stage is output-transformer-coupled, using output transformers that are 5 times larger than the transformers in the DAC-S. You mentioned for USB input, that you like PC best. What's your favorite MAC configuration. I recommend Foobar with KS plug-in installed and 24 bit output mode because this is a very nice sounding combo with the M2Tech USB. I personally dont have a MAC but many of my customers do. It was reported to me that AMARRA sounds very nice with MAC, although the M2Tech Hiface comes with MAC drivers as well. What's your thoughts/recommendation/options on adding a transport at a later date (mainly for SACD playback)? When based on Esoteric UX-1, the 4.0-SE is a universal player (CD, DVD, SACD). When based on X-01, it is CD and SACD only. Because of copyright issues, SACD digital output is not allowed, so it will be hard to just add SACD transport for the DAC-S. One last thought- I have been skeptical in considering your products due to your disappearing acts in the past. Have you ever heard the saying, "it's easy to forgive but hard forget?", or," it takes a lifetime to earn a good reputation and a second to loose one." I'm not trying to lecture here, just trying to take you seriously as an option for my very hard earned money. Your products are impressive and I hope you continue with your focus on customer satisfaction. You are absolutely right about that! Thank you for the nice suggestions and kind words about our products, I appreciate it! Things are now changed for the better, and we are doing our best keeping our customers happy. Best, Alex Peychev www.aplhifi.com |
Lokie- A more detailed look at the APL website would have answered your question. The DAC-s is a "lite" version of some of the 4.0 architecture. The 4.0 is a 1-box solution that competes with basically anything out there at any price. The DAC-s is a standalone DAC with a fraction of the performance, however is meant to compete with other DACs costing 2-3x more. The more accurate comparison would be between the 4.0 and the standalone "cost-no-object" APL Super-DAC, which is also mentioned on the site, but is not yet available. I currently have the prototype for this and along with my upgraded Esoteric UX-1 I am getting very, very close to 4.0 performance. I have also been an APL customer for 5 years or so, going through the different versions of the Denon 3910, etc. I have always found Alex to be honest and true to his word. He went through a bit of a rough patch several years ago with family issues, etc., but has emerged relatively unscathed. New products have been developed and are being developed from he and his overseas team and it looks like he is now much better able to support his cutting-edge products. Interestingly, the majority of any prior repair problems have not come from Alex's work/components, but failures of the underlying components - lasers, etc. Hope this helps clarify a bit for you. |
Based on my on-going evaluation of my own NWO-4.0SE, I think that Puremusic's review hits the nail right on the head, and provides a level of detail that is rarely achieved by product reviewers, either professional or users. I have be an APL customer for seven years, progressing from Alex's original Phillips SACD 1000, to the APL Denon 3910 (three versions), and now to the latest NWO. Although I felt that the NWO-3.0SE was as good as it gets (particularly after it won the controlled blind shoot-out we conducted here in San Diego), I was amazed at the magnitude of the improvement after I upgraded to the 4.0. Using my set of thirteen criteria, I had felt that the 3.0 was well neigh perfect. It score at the max on all my key measurements -- accurate tonality, detail resolution, instrumental differentiation, sound staging, quality of the bass, etc. And after burning in the 4.0 I heard all of those as before. Yet there was something different about the 4.0 that that went beyond this and defied my traditional listening criteria. First of all, the bass extention was unbelieveably improved, beyond what I have ever heard on any player of any make. Second, the soundstage was not only broad, but much deeper, giving a true sense of realism to ensemble play. And third and most important, the sense of realism -- the sense of being in the presence of live music -- reached a whole new deminsion. The combination of accurately reproduced transients, the realism of the attack and decay of struck notes, and the sense of the impact each of the instruments had on its surrounding "air" all came together to produce a sense of naturalness that redefined the term "reproduced sonics". Let me make two concluding comments. As wonderful as RDCDs sound, the improvement between the 3.0 and 4.0 is even more amazing when it comes to SACDs. And finally, although I have over 400 hours on my system, its performance keeps on improving. As I mentioned in a review I did on the APL web site, my 3.0 did not finally hit its peak until after 550 hours on burn-in. Congradulations Alex, and congradulations Puremusic on an outstanding review. Pete Watt |
Besides the transport, what are the differences between the 4.0SE and tthe DAC S? After a quick look at your website, the output stage, w the Luhndall Transformers, look the same. You mentioned for USB input, that you like PC best. What's your favorite MAC configuration. What's your thoughts/recommendation/options on adding a transport at a later date (mainly for SACD playback)? One last thought- I have been skeptical in considering your products due to your disappearing acts in the past. Have you ever heard the saying, "it's easy to forgive but hard forget?", or," it takes a lifetime to earn a good reputation and a second to loose one." I'm not trying to lecture here, just trying to take you seriously as an option for my very hard earned money. Your products are impressive and I hope you continue with your focus on customer satisfaction. |
John, That is correct; NWO final sampling rate is 6,249MHz. The SACD is sampling rate is 2,822.4MHz at 1 bit. Some DSD machines upsample this to 5.6MHz (twice the rate) which helps filtering-out the noise. Metralla, This means that CD is being re-sampled to 195kHz/32bit, then, inside the AKM DACs, is being further upsampled another 32 times. The AKM DACs feature higher-order modulators (5 or 8 bit, not 1 bit), resulting in dramatically reduced out-of-band noise that is comparable to the performance of non-Delta/Sigma R2R DACs (AKM holds various patents on their unique D/S modulators). Best, Alex Peychev www.aplhifi.com |
For example, the AKM DACs in the NWO process audio data at 141 times higher than the regular 44.1kHz CD sampling rate.WOW! That means the NWO DACs are outputting more than 6,000,000 samples per second (141x44,100=6,218,100). That would explain, at least in part, NWO-4.0SE's extraordinary resolution, smoothness, and realism that I hear. Alex, what is the output rate for the SACD format? |
Can anyone comment on the output stage. I think that's where allot of high end digital gear is lacking in priority. Agreed! Output stage is a very important part of the equation. In the NWO-4.0-SE case, the output stage is differential (balanced), class A, transformer coupled design using Lundahl output transformers and vintage E182CC tubes. After all, analogue is what we're actually listening to. Sure, this is what we are listening to, but to get as close to the original analog domain, the digital processing is also very important. For example, the AKM DACs in the NWO process audio data at 141 times higher than the regular 44.1kHz CD sampling rate. This results in close-to-analog signal at the DAC outputs. It is interesting that the NWO-4.0-SE seems to be free from the usual negative upsampling effects. Best, Alex Peychev www.aplhifi.com |
"I'm not sure what you're referring to by the NWO-S1. " Hello Frank. This is "light" NWO-SS and its based not on X-01 but SA-50 model. It also has less DACs per channel and I am sure some other changes. So, it is SACD/CD Player with high quality digital input(s) to use its DAC for any music server. Its not "modded" SA-50 as 80-90% of electronics is that of Alex. He basically use here Esoteric VOSR transport and may be something else. The D/A section inclusing new clocks is completetly his own. While, I know that NWO-4.0SE is better it costs much, much more. Alex believes that NWO-SS is also better and, IMO, it has its basis in better transport of X-01, more DAC chips etc and probably for this (or any other) reason Alex does not offer NWO-S1 to public. Plus, unless you have a large SACD collection, as I do, you will be better off, financially, with his stand alone DAC. As you noted, such DAC for $5k is just a bargain !!!! Still NWO-S1 is extraordinarey digital front end per my and my friends opinion. My hat off to Alex for his creativity, hard work and honesty. |
Lokie, "How much?"As far as I know, it's $25,000 plus your Esoteric UX-1 or X-01; add $10,000 if you don't provide one. The NWO-4.0SE uses the Esoteric chassis and its VRDS-NEO transport, but Alex guts most of the innards and replaces them with his original design which includes 20 AKM 32-bit DACs per channel, transformer coupled output stage, etc. "Everything is hand-made, including the population of the PCBoards with surface mount components, and is point-to-point wired." It's not just a modification of the Esoteric, it's a cost-no-object design. Artmaltman, "Is there a current web site?"The web address is still the same (aplhifi.com), but the site got a face lift recently. Tvad, Not overlooked.....Just absorbed in pure music....Time stands still.....And before you know it, it's 1:00am. Peace, John |
Simontju. Alex used to reside in Calif. but has been in Bulgaria for some time. Alex is from Bulgaria and has many talented engineer friends and contacts in his homeland. This enables him to produce a quality product at a very reasonable cost. Go to his website and check out the specification's on his new DAC-S. At $5000.00 it offers many high quality parts and design features that you won't find in other dac's regardless of price. For instance, notice that the design is built around the SECOND generation AKM 32 bit dac. Eight per side. One feature of all his products that dosn't get any attention but is very important, is that he loads his boards by hand. They are not machine made. Machine made boards are much cheaper but do not sound as good. This is controversial but it's believed that the high temperatures that machined boards are subjected to degrade quality. To hand load a board is very labor intensive. I'm not sure what you're referring to by the NWO-S1. If it's the DAC version of the NWO 4.0SE (not in production yet) it has 20 DAC's per side and is not based on the Esoteric SA-50. It's a completely new product. However you you may be referring to an earlier modded SA-50 that was offered. Not sure. Regards, Frank |
APL Hi Fi Operate in USA - please check his side. I believe some production facilities are in Bulgaria Also NWO-S1 is 3-4 times cheaper then NWO-4SE. Its based on $5k Esoteric SA-50, has 4-6 DACs per channel (not 20) and output stage is transformer based ( I have Joule-Electra top tube preamp so I needed less Alex tube output). Alex made his own ultracheap IC with very low capacitance and all together work fantasticly well. Again, the break-in took a number of months and it was a torture! |
John, Thank you for the comprehensive review, it is much appreciated! Guido, We can't make it to the RMAF this year; weve been busy with the new DAC-S development and several other projects we are working on. I am hoping we can attend CES early next year. Dracule1, I know what you mean. Many audiophiles prefer the lush/rich sonic character of NOS DACs and are ready to live with the top-end (high frequency reproduction) problems of such designs (except GTE Audio). In my opinion, the AKM DACs we use have some advantages over NOS DACs and other 24 bit examples you are talking about. Of course, you need to audition one of our products before final judgment. Art, The big hybrid amp (HA-1) I brought to you is still my reference. The website is here: APL Hi-Fi Tvad, The NWO-4.0-SE is our cost-no-object statement digital product; it is boutique. Since we discontinued Denon re-designs, we have been working on a similarly priced digital product that will satisfy the demands of todays audiophile needs in the $5000 price-range, so the new DAC-S was born. Audiofeil, Location is European Union. More details here: Contact Us Best, Alex Peychev www.aplhifi.com |