Anyone with experience having cables made using Amorphous Metals/Alloys

@carlsbad2 Theoretically speaking OCC is better for electrical conductivity than normal/OFC copper/silver because of lesser crystals present. Amorphous metal takes this to next step and has no crystal structure at all hence amorphous, but having no crystal will act as perfect single crystal because of lack of crystal boundries. Hence I am interested in Amorphous Copper/Silver.

Now I am not looking for any alloys as I know these alloys have lesser conductivity than Copper/Silver. But if you can get Graphene or some Carbon Nanotubes which are better than Silver in conductivity then it's a different thing. But these things are supre expensive to begin with. Hence asking for just Amorphous Copper/Silver sheets.

Any experience using these type of amorphous metal cables is also welcome.

Regards,

Audio_phool

@williewonka I am glad that you are also intrigued by Amorphous metal as I am and hence the hunt. You have made an intersting point about Dielectric Constant of different materials. Since Dielectric constant for a material is the ratio of capcitance of the material to capacitance of the vaccum. Since Capacitance of the vaccum is a constant which means higher the diaelectric constant, higher the value of the capacitance of the material. So have you measured the capcitance of same conductor (of same lenght, geometry, width/diameter, thickness) with different dielectric used as insulation material. I thnk thats what is making the audible differences.

@bugredmachine Thanks pointing out the Stealth Audio. If you have (considerable) experience with it then I would like you to elaborate it. It would be better if you can provide any comparisons as well. I checked their website & looks like they use amorphous metal only in their analog interconnects. But price seems to be prohibitve to me.

Audio_phool

@bugredmachine thanks for your reply. It's good to see your response kind of validating my hunt for Amorphous metal. So did you sell the Indra now that you have balanced pre? I know these kind of cables are crazy expensive, something which I will never spend my money on.

Audio_phool

@williewonka Thank you very much. I appreciate the knowledge share.

Regards,

Audio_phool

@williewonka Thank you for your response. Looks like you have pretty deep experience with DIYing cables. I agree with you regarding UPOCC cables & hence even I use UPOCC copper cable for speaker cable.

I would like to know how & from where did you manage to procure UPOCC Copper or silver cables for your exoeriments? I find it very difficult, some times even next to impossible to procure cables that I want. Recently I wanted to procure flat foil UPOCC Copper or Silver...I was not able to find anyone who could provide me what I wanted. Hence any help on procuring cables or conductors is much appreciated.

Regarding the point that you mentioned about finding UPOCC better sounding than rest of the conducors (ignoring the geometry & talking purely from conductor perspective). Thats quite understandable as UPOCC has very less amount of crystal copared to OFC version or even standard metal version. But UPOCC is the patented method so finding it easily and economically is going to be a challenge.

Amorphous metal (or alloys) are actually a step ahead. They are made using a method called as Melt Spinning (there are other methods as well) wherein the molten alloy is cooled very rapidly so that atoms don't have any time to form any crystal structure. Hence these are also called as metal glasses. Now since they don't have any crystal structure at all and they are very tightly placed without any (or minimal) interatomic space compared regular crystalised metal, it's going to be even better than UPOCC because of the said reasons. Hence I am looking for amorphous Copper or silver. Let me know if you know any manufacturer who can provide me what I am looking for.

Regards,

Audio_phool

@srinisr No I haven't tried those distributors but I will surely check with them, thyanks for that. But I doubt if it's (Amorphous Copper/Silver) not already avaibale, then they will make just 10 meters or so for me.

Audio_phool

@srinisr saw those listings...too much of money for me to try amorphous metal. Maybe someone else with deeper pocket can snag it.

@williewonka Thank you for your response. I am actually intrigued by the mechanism and it's explanation of how dielectric can affect the conductivity. I would like to know about your thoughts on how dielectric induces noise in the signal, a more indepth discussion. Feel free to PM me if you think this is not the appropriate forum to discuss it.

Audio_phool