Anyone hear the Caravelle speaker and not like it?


I am very close to ordering a pair of the Harmonic Precision Carravelle speakers. I am looking in the below $5,000 range and these look interesting. There are only a couple of reveiws so I was wondering if anyone has heard them and been unimpressed? It is a lot of money but I may take a chance on it. Anyone think I can do better at my price point. I will be buying a new amp after I choose a speaker.
pal

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Cinematic systems.I have recently sold and installed a AV system consisting of 3 Caravelles across the front with a pair of the new stands..The center stand is a variation of the new and the standard speaker stand..It had to be so as the top of the speaker was below the front projected video image..My biggest fear was the new stands,they are very unique in style..These new final prototype stands were intended to be for my audition so I never got to listen to their breakin period or the overall benefits to my own pair of Caravelles in my listening room..My client who wants the best and demands the look loved how the stands fit into their gothic like cellar area of stone and mahogany. The theater itself was of much mahogany with raised panels and beams. The sides and rears were to be Caravelles as well but it was decided they would intrude to much on the walk ways to the seating area..James Loudspeakers provided us with a model that is only 5.5 in. in depth and was finished to match the the Caravelles and the 2 matching James EMB12's..It all looked wonderfull together and blended and intergrated so as to disappear..The James subs are super fast and have the least amount of spurious cabinet noise I have ever not heard. My room at home is 21by 27 by 9..The Caravelles by themselves have faster more impactfull and tunefull bass than my previous Dunlavy SC4's..Tom, I am a dealer.
Pal I will be glad to help in any way I can with advice on setup, breakin, room acoustics etc with your system with these new speakers..I had the original prototypes in my room for 6 months and that was over 3 years ago..The final version that you will be receiving I have had for over a year..I feel that any owner of the Caravelle's would be glad to offer any help if requested..Tom..I am a dealer
Twl as you know all the signal in a series crossover has to be played unlike a parallel crossover where some of the signal is dumped to ground..Seems to me that a parallel crossover with some of its signal dumped to ground, that unused signal would find its way back into the amplifier maybe as some kind of grunge or noise certainly as some out of phase aberation that may be passed along with the next waveform..Also most every parallel crossover designs have their components wired exclusively to the positive side only..leaving the amplifier dealing with a load that is unbalanced at the speaker end and no chance of ever working in symmetry. Tom
Eldartford. You are right with these examples..but most every crossover I have seen dangles on the postive side only..Some very complex first order x-overs such as those found in some T---l speakers are tied across the positive leg and this may be part of why they are so reactive and difficult to drive..Having a symmetical crossover with components on both legs so as to balance the circuit {and the speaker becomes a part of the amp circuit} could only better serve the inner action of the amp and speaker..Tom
Eldartford..if you invert the phase the amp is still out of balance with the speaker because of all the crap hanging on one leg ..doesn't matter which leg..Tom
Try what? Imagine what? Create what? It's all been done before.Its all black and white..No shades of gray ..no color...boundaries ..no boundaries.Who'da thunk it, its purely academic. Tom
Please send me a sample of your rendition of this product so I may compare with the original..Tom
I was going to pour a pair of Caravelles when they came to rip up my old driveway and form a new one..I figured before they put the gravel down they usually put down some steel reinforcement. I could make some dedicated Sistrum stands from that.These guys can even help me make the forms for my new speakers they are great at calculating complex shapes and certainly they can figure the rate of contraction as the pour drys..A few percent here and there certainly won't change the way the bass may sound..Tom
How about that cabinet? What about the mold to cast that cabinet? How much to make that mold? A thousand? No. Ten thousand? No... More? Yes..How many pours can you expect out of one mold before you have to replace the mold? When do they pour the quart of Micro-Bearing Conductor into the mix that makes up the back panel? How many man hours to prep the cabinet before it goes to the automotive paint booth.? How many coats of paint and clear coat? Whats that cost? You gotta be damn careful in moving that black beauty around. That crossover.. those select matched parts..the Sonoran hook-up wire with Micro-Bearing, The Riehl copper solder thats lead free, the Sistrum mounting method of the crossover to the inside of the cabinet..no dampening there.Want to be consistent in ridding all the nasty vibrations away to those crazy looking conductive stands.The brass conductive rod that is threaded into the back of the woofer and tensioned thru and terminated into the back plate of the cabinet..Gee another conductor.No dampening..Have to be consistent..Dampening the inside of the cabinet, hardly not ..no foam, no fiberglass, nothing dangerous to exit that port ..all natural..carded wool..How much are those sheep? No steel mounting screws..Why is that? Why are these speakers boltled to those crazy stands? How come when you tap on those stands they ring? I thought speaker stands were to be dead and filled with sand or lead shot..Seems as if these stands were meant to be conductive..Of what? Vibration of course..Whats left to be heard? Music . I sell these speakers and really enjoy telling their story..Tom
So Speakerdude aka Spell Checker you have made 6 posts on Audiogon..Two of the six were to call people out on their spelling ..Your contribution to Audiogon has been very impressive and so informative.I bet you make Sister Mary Joseph very proud. Tom
His name was Anthony. We shared some conversation about these speakers,cables and resonance grounding methods and platforms.
Super nice man. His presence here will be missed. Tom
Ray,

I still have mine and love them. I have done a few mods the next will be outboard crossovers. Waiting to complete the rebuild of my power amps and audition those before I do the overhaul of the crossovers.Tom.SST