Not to defend Sdrconsultant, from reading his post he doesn't need my or anyone's help. The majority of B&W speakers i've heard offer poor price/performance ratio when purchased new. They do have several speakers that offer very good value on the used market...803N/CM9(have not heard the 10 yet)and older 801 Matrix models. The key with B&W speakers is there very amp sensitive. When you get it right there very competitive at there price point when buying pre-owned.