Any Advice for those Listening to Youtube Reviewers?


I’d like to recognize that it takes a great set of self promotional skills to become successful in the Youtube world. That said most of the audio reviewers I’ve seen don’t have the experience to review, or the kind of space that would really allow gear to shine.

Most of them start of with K-Mart like gear, did their formula and got popular, and jumped far up the audio food chain. Of course everything they review is going to be great compared to the Service Merchandise system they sold last year.

Just throwing it out there that people should be careful listening to these guys that are mostly working for the views/money (not that some aren’t passionate).

Anyone else seeing this?

bjesien

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@mahgister 

I just explained how to do if you dont have the possibility to compare gear and listening to it...

Perhaps I didn't read your post thoroughly. Sorry if I mischaracterized your message. 

 

if i could had listen before buying i would have done it...

I dont propose statistical analysis of users are the only and main tool to choose component...

Seeing them and listening them in some context is important...

For example my last purchase upgrade cost me 250 bucks in return fees, if i could have listen to it BEFORE buying i would have not purchase it and spare my money... Happily there was a good retrurn policy...

I had no other choices...

And i never proposed others people to restrict their choices...

I just explained how to do if you dont have the possibility to compare gear and listening to it...

 Vintage components and users analysis not reviewers was very good for me...

But it is not possible for all components and in all cases...

 

 

 

@mahgister

Not all people are able to listen to gear BEFORE buying...

Well, OK -- Not all people are willing to restrict their choices to what’s available from online sellers that offer return policies.

There are good reasons for this -- in the case of floorstanding speakers that are very expensive to ship back, for example. And, of course, these sellers typically only offer certain brands up to a certain price point. Those who prefer other brands and/or higher priced gear will naturally look elsewhere. This is all very sensible.

Having said that, there is still a lot (!) of gear available from such sellers!

If others are able to make buying choices that yield long-term satisfaction based upon dealer showroom demos or trade shows, I salute them.

For those who opt to make component and stand-mount speaker buying decisions based upon how a piece sounds to their ears, as part of their system, in their room, and whose budgets are a good fit, choosing from what is offered by TMR, Music Direct, Audio Advisor, Upscale Audio, etc. can be a very sensible approach.

 

 

Some reviewers are interesting personnalities...

But we cannot buy some component based on one or two reviewers...Even those we appreciated...

Myself i picked average users opinion in a statistical take and reading under the line...It is the reason why i bought vintage products... New hyped one had no long term many users reviews...

Not all people are able to listen to gear BEFORE buying...

 

mahgister

Their usefulness is delivering official specs, appearance and details about the products. Their opinion generally have no value.

I agree. Don’t listen to what reviewer’s opinion. Listen to the music/sound from audio system in videos and judge. Alex/Wavetouch

Steve Huff seems down to earth for me... I will check Andrew Robinson then .. 😊

 

I dont pay attention to reviewers... I dont need to upgrade... 😊

I dont even criticize them... They sell the gear...

Sometimes they inform us well sometimes less...

I like Steve Huff  as a reviewer because he exhude honesty...

And this video of him spoke truth...

I know it is true because my 700 bucks system is high end in sound but not in pricing...😁

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMO-rZUUq7Q

Reviewers sell...

Their usefulness is delivering official specs, appearence and details about the products...

Their opinion generally have no value...Those honest dont accept to write about a product they dont like... And they speak about all products they dont dislike in a neutral way generally...

Imagine one of them  writing  a review about a product of a young company and imagine he  destruct it in his review.... What could be the consequences ? This does not happen often and there is a reason why : responsability...

The opposite is possible  and way more frequent  , the worst product i ever listened to was a product i bought 10 years ago after reading a positive review of this horrible headphone  amplifier...

What could i write if i was a reviewer ? Nothing i would have never write anything about this junk...

Imagine the responsability if i do write a destructive review corresponding to my impression ... I will never wrote the review but i bought this product because a reviewer wrote very positively about it... My friend bought it too... We sold it on the spot after few minute listenings and laughing about our credulity in reading reviews ... 😊

 

Experienced owners reviews matter way more ....They had skin in the game... They paid the product and dont borrow it to sell it with their words...

All relatively low cost  products i bought after pro reviewers opinions were an error i regretted...

All products i bought after inquiring their many owners opinions on the net  or informal reviews i never regretted...I statiscally compared them to make my mind... I bought my best components this way... No regrets ever... Only pure joy ...

 

You get it completely in reverse...

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we must LEARN how to listen.... Nobody is born with it ... Ask to an acoustician and to a musician..

Then when we had learned how to listen and we perceive acoustic aspects of the sound experience , then , only then , are we able to make the most of a receiver or of an high end costly piece...

Anybody can hear didfferences, what we must learn is how to make this perceived differences meaningful and useful in the embeddings process of an audio system..

And how do you know a component sound better ? is it because of his price tag or is it because you are trained well enough to embed it in the right electrical,mechanical and acoustical conditions ?

I call that learning how to listen... It does not matter if you use a Pioneer receiver or the Ferrari of amplifier instead , you will be able to get the best of what you have and never be frustrated ... Thats was my point and you dont figured it out... 😊

Money dont create audiophile experience, acoustic may do it and did...learn it to know what the audiophile vocabulary means at least... And acoustic is not buying bass traps or ready made panels by the way...It is a bit more... 😁

 

“It seems most people will never get that audio is not about the gear pieces but about how to learn to listen...”. IMO, if you know how to listen, you would know that the better equipment makes a bigger difference in sound quality! It’s like taking a Honda accord to the racetrack. Even if you are the best driver in the world, you will not beat a rookie in a F1 car.

If you have a pioneer receiver, I don’t care how you listen, the sound quality will be crap. If you truly know how to listen, you will hear differences in cables, room treatment, different price ranges of amps, dacs, preamps, etc… But hey, if you can’t hear the difference between entry level equipment and the better higher end equipment, that’s cool, you just saved yourself some money. Me, I’ll spend the money on better equipment to get the best sq I can for the money invested, same goes for cars, homes, appliances, we’ll just everything

 

I wrote "gear pieces" not gear prices...

 

 And because i dont focus on selling gear pieces i will never create a youtube channel...

I am interested by music ... Sound is my past history... I already created my room and after that my headphone  system... I dont want nor need to focus on gear... It is marketing not acoustic...

I don't know about 'focusing' on gear prices, but I always hope the reviewer says how much something costs, because many of them do not. I wonder why people who complain about reviewers so much don't start their own YouTube channel? Show 'em how it's done! 

 

All reviewers focus on the gear pieces...

To create audiophile experience we must learn basic acoustic...

Not buying acoustic panels, i means really experimenting...

There is no other way...

When you are in awe with your own system , you dont need entertainment, you listen music for the first time in your life , nobody has ever experienced it save me ?

i dont read audio review anymore except sometimes one recommended here , by curiosity, because i love people here and what they recommend , thats all... The last one i really read and study was Dr.Choueri BACCH filters acoustic revolution... There is nothing  else to read for me... All the rest is marketing, honest one , at best ... But i dont need to upgrade ...Then ... I read my friends here and i listen music...

It seems most people will never get that audio is not about the gear pieces but about how to learn to listen...

Yes must learn to listen not only to sounds which is acoustic basics but also to music,classical,jazz,world; and no, our "tastes" must be educated by ourself not by reviewers...

 

«I like my meal well rotten for a month , it is question of taste»-- Anonymus crocodile

Reviewers are like us... Humans....

The difference is that they have their own ears , not yours; and they must sell in a way or in another...Generally they sell new offers on the market... They dont compare with the past, even to recent past...For most all is progress...

Some are better than others...

The problem is reviewers spoke for all of us indistinctly...And no one here is on the same place in his audio journey.....The reviewers cannot know about your needs; you must learn to identify your real needs...

it is generally better to read articles than listening reviewers to do this...

At the end of the road we dont need reviewers...At the begining of the road i am not sure we need reviewers...We need to read ...When i had listened reviewers i had been put aside and i regret all i bought ( many dac , many amplifier and many speakers and many headphones 😊 ) ...I begin to understand by reading about acoustic basic... And i read about some vintage mythical products, it is better to buy a myth with a ton of reviews and advices, than to buy a new product which will be forgotten soon ...

Reviewers may be entertaining and can give good suggestions for sure... But you must listen to yourself reading with open mind about the past products not only the new one...Past products can be vintage but they can be product of ten years ago ...

There is a revolution now in audio for example in the last 15 years , how many reviewers youtube spoke about it ? Very , very few...

Guess what it is ?

How many revolutions there is in audio in the last 15 years and which one ?

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No it is not a mere new dac like all the others more or less ....