Anti skate question for Rega P8/RB 880 arm


I just replaced my cartridge with the same one I had (Van den hul MC-One Special) and I am getting conflicting advice on the anti skate settings. It is a Rega P8 with RB 880 arm. Rega says tracking force should match anti skating, Van den hul box says 1-25-1.5g tracking force, but only .2-.4 anti skate, and I have a tru-lift automatic arm lifter whose owner told me the anti skate should be 1/2 or less the tracking force on a Rega. That was after the arm was slipping off the lift bar. I moved it to about .75 anti skate. Before that it was set for 1. He was even saying you don't need anti skate.

Please don't tell me to experiment and see how it sounds. It is set for 1.43 g tracking which I don't want to touch. Thanks.
sokogear

Showing 3 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

my simple answer was

the smooth lp lets you 'see it' for real, $12.50 too much for that?

beyond that, as I said, I always write answers for OP and anybody else following along.

"you may have all this done, if not, for others following"


After many years, I started using an lp with a smooth surface, no grooves, like this

https://recordblanks.com/product/anti-skate-calibration-record-pre-order-calibration-records-will-ship-july-6th/

you may have all this done, if not, for others following

get needed tools, you can learn to do this yourself if you don’t have the skills yet:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07794JXYZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HF9PEA4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N9TRSPC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-8501-Featherweight-Mirror/dp/B000RZQI68/ref=sr_1_17?dchild=1&keywords=small+mirror&qid=1598463376&sr=8-17
https://www.amazon.com/Hudson-Hi-Fi-Azimuth-Protractor-Bundle/dp/B07S3Y7FXS/ref=sr_1_21?dchild=1&keywords=tonearm+alignment&qid=1598463969&sr=8-21

I have one of these specific for my tonearm, but there are enough marks for any tonearm
https://www.amazon.com/Zripool-Turntable-Tachometer-Calibration-Stroboscope/dp/B07QNVF74Y/ref=sr_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=lp+strobe&qid=1598464313&sr=8-13

If you have OCD, you can buy fancier stuff, but those will get you there.

1. zero anti-skate for everything, anti-skate last

2. after very careful alignment of

overhang, distance stylus tip past the spindle (specific for each tonearm)
two null points, horizontal alignment in arm/headshell, view from top
azimuth, vertical alignment down into the groove, view from front
VTA, vertical tracking angle, cartridge maker specifies, view from side
SRA, Stylus Rake Angle is what you are really going for when getting vta correct
VTA/SRA involves precise adjustment of height of tonearm

3.. tracking force, use digital scale

4. finally/last: anti-skate
add amount equaling the tracking force, just to see if your arm anti-skate is accurate, as will be revealed by:

place stylus tip in center of smooth lp, spin by hand, see if moving out/in/ stays essentially where it was.
refine adjust for 2 movements
a. place tip near where inner grooves typically are. manually spin. in a bit is ok, out, lessen as till in a bit.
b. then double check action when stylus starts from where center of grooves are, not out, not in too quickly.

5. test record if you must,

6. I prefer this LP for final verificarion

https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/5862108?ev=rb&sort=condition%2Cdesc

side two, tracks 2 and 3, all 3 guitarists play, you know and can try/make AS adjustments listening to the imaging, if right you will hear john in the middle with greater clarity/separation from paco to left, al to right. listen not only to paco and al for volume and imaging,also listen to the audience for general wall of sound.
.................................
if you have room to place this between your arm and edge of platter, this is terrific end of play lifter.  it fit for my main 12.5" arm, no room for my 9" arm, base too close to platter.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HKX6WL7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

this weight is reasonably priced

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT618A-AT618a-Disc-Stabilizer/dp/B07HB2LDYT/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=audio+technica+weight&qid=1598464704&sr=8-1


sokogear

why do you have a TT? Better than CD?

Certainly not unless the fundamentals are done right.

Most of us (I think I can say), over time have had various turntables, various tonearms, various cartridges, 

It is not rocket science, just the needed tools, and careful patience.