Amy Winehouse.RIP

nothing ruins a party quicker then a religious zealot. they are right and anyone who doesn't "believe" as they do is wrong. we watch horrible things being done daily in the name of god. we ask ourselves...how?, why? would someone carry out such actions?.

truth is...more atrocities have been carried out in the name of god then any other "reason". it's ironic and sad but it is human kinds MO. that's what we have done since the dawn of our "civilized existence". ever sadder...we're really good at it.

so how did/do people get to the point of carrying out such atrocities??. simple....we tolerate they're hateful speech until it progresses, unchallenged to the point of taking horrific action. people like Glory are the roots of such hate and intolerance. they are allowed the spew their venom until it progresses/spreads to the unthinkable. the people we see cutting off heads in the middle east and shooting young people on an island in Norway all have one thing in common. they all started with hateful, judgmental speech. folks like Glory are only a few small steps away from such things....and it's a slippery slope.

Glory, thank you for rearing your ugly head and shitting all over everyone with different beliefs. maybe you could form a group here on a-gon??. "the christian hi-fi'ers" or something like that??. down the road...you could protest non believers in the music community/industry and push for their removal. if that doesn't work....the next "logical step" is.....(read above).

Glory...i wouldn't be so sure that this is how "god" wants you to act. come REAL judgement day, you'll be less disappointed when he sends you packing.

and that's what it is Tubegroover...a sign of our times. i wouldn't single out tension and division, as that's always been present. it's the lack/deterioration of civility that is the sign of our times. a judgmental arrogance that seems to be worsening by the day. seems being "online" makes it even worse. it's easy to say something online that you'd never have the balls to say in person. ask yourself this...if a-gon was a a physical place that we all got together at...would this be happening?. sure, a few would express their negative comments but i doubt it would have digressed to this level?. lots of brave people online =)

personally, i never liked her music much. her lifestyle turned me off as well. she was a sick person who couldn't get well. i posted a reply in the other RIP thread before this one took a nosedive. i called it "a slow moving train wreck" *with* an RIP, out of common decency and respect. you don't have to like someone to do that. it's called being part of the human race. many in "our times" don't want to be a part of the human race anymore. it's about "me" and those who agree with "me". being about "me" isn't all bad imho. it's the "against them" part i object to.

i can easily tolerate alot of this stuff. what pushed me over the edge was someone dragging religion into the mix. although i have a deep belief in "god", me a "religion" have problems ;-)

free speech is awesome. you CAN say whatever you want and express your opinion. however there are times i question should you? and why would you?. and if you have to...why can't you do it respectfully.

cheers

Chadnliz, i could have been clearer in my previous post. physical violence was not what i was thinking, but can see how that could be read between the lines. please allow me to clarify.

so a-gon threads become real world meetings, in person, to discuss audio. picture a huge room with many tables. each table is a thread that you sit down and participate in. one table is for an RIP to ms winehouse. i contend that most of her detractors in this thread wouldn't even sit down at that table, let alone inject negative comments. this is what i was referring to regarding being brave. not that anyone would beat your ass if you did....but would you sit at that table and express your "opinion". could be wrong but i think not. why??....because it's classless and disrespectful. most would feel very uncomfortable doing so and simply walk by to the next table. doing so online is much easier. there is no discomfort hiding behind your monitor. it becomes very easy to let it rip and say things you'd "never have the balls to say in person". this is what i meant by being "brave" online.

you don't have to like ms winehouse or her music. you don't have to condone her lifestyle or have sympathy, empathy or any other "thy". again, it's about civility and a tiny shred of respect for fellow human beings. that's all most of us are looking for.

bottom line for me is why come sit at this "table" and inject such comments?. did the OP (person who set up the table) ask for differing thoughts and opinions about ms winehouse's death?. judgmental arrogance and force feeding of opinions seems to have become acceptable in out society. tolerance/respect/civility have become bad words. it's the sign of our times and i hate it.

cheers

of course you would Glory...that's what religious zealots do. shouldn't you be heading off to your cult meeting....i mean church?.

no church for glory?? being religious is "destructive"?? if this is truly how you feel....then you're right. i must have a bad tube somewhere ;-). will look into a repair if possible.

Chadnliz.....i don't have a dog in the "is she a star" fight. don't have one in the "was she any good" fight as well. regarding respect...you are misunderstanding the point. she's dead and doesn't really need any. it's the people who enjoyed, cared and liked/loved her that deserve some respect (i don't fall into any of these categories as well). they sure as hell don't need someone trying to talk them out of it so soon after her demise *and* in an RIP thread. just like those people who crash/protest dead soldier funerals. they have a right to voice their thoughts even though many find them disgusting (myself included). it's the where and when that gets most of us riled up. timing is everything.