Amplifier match for MM de Capo i's


Working at piecing together a system based around the 3A de Capo i's and am interested in others' sucessful (and not) matches with amplifiers; brands and power. They list 3w to 150w but would a set of Cary 2A3's at 5w work? I listen to classical mostly, sources are rega cdp and music hall TT. I'm looking in the sub-$1500 used arena. Thanks
stuartbranson

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I am a huge fan of these speakers. (I own the non-'i' version.)

The best choice for amplification depends on your listening preferences, as Terry alluded to, but also on your listening style. However, based on my experience, I don't think 5 watts would be enough.

What kind of classical do you listen to? If you tend to listen to chamber music, lieder, 18th/19th century keyboard repertoire, you can probably do with around 50 watts. If you listen at low levels in a small room, perhaps even less. Definitely try before you buy.

If you listen to Romantic and 20th orchestral music, opera, large choral works (requiems, choral symphonic works, etc.), particularly if you listen at realistic levels, the De Capos will definitely benefit from all the power (within reason) you can throw at them.

I'm currently using a 150-watt solid state amp. It's certainly not the best choice (for example, a 150-watt tube amp would probably be better), but this speaker is not the meek SET squeaker that many assume it is. Properly powered, it reproduces symphonic music (Rite of Spring, anyone?) and b-i-g voices (think Jessye Norman as Judith in Bluebeard's Castle) with authority and impact.

I tend to listen to this kind demanding repertoire at (or, with guilt, above) concert levels in a medium-sized room. So, obviously, my power requirements are higher.

And, as Terry mentioned, the extended bass repsonse is much more demanding of amplifier power. If you listen to organ music or repertoire that includes large orchestrations with tymps or bass drums, you will not get the best results with a low-powered tube amp that recoils from low-frequency information.

In my room/system, I can hear the fundamentals of 16- and 32-foot pipes. No, they are not rafter-shaking; the laws of physics still apply.

Good luck.
A couple additional points and suggestions:

I agree that the Atma-Sphere S-30 would be a great match, albeit with a power limitation.

I agree that Bryston (in my experience) would be plenty powerful, but lack finesse and warmth. I have not really heard the new SST series, though...

At the last Montreal show, Reference 3A demonstrated with Copland (because the distributor carries both), using a new integrated amp with a tube pre and ss amp stage. Not sure on the price, but nice-sounding (not fantastic in my book), and plenty powerful (I think the integrated is 80-100 watts).

I am itching to hear my dc's with the c-j MV-60se (or maybe two of them). I haven't heard the combination, but the MV-60 has sounded sweet and musical (if not particularly authoritative) in a number of systems; the SE version is supposed to add some bass control and impact--Hi Fi + gave it a Product of the Year award, as well.

Rogue Audio might have some mid-power amps in your price range used.

I've also heard of good results powering dc's with the Audio Aero Prima hybrid integrated.

Good luck.
-cy
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Kwl,
One of the problems with the De Capos (if you can call it a problem) is that they seem to me to be a lot more revealing of upstream equipment than other speakers in the price class. As a result, the necessary sonic compromises in commonly well-regarded afordable integrated amps like some of the ones you mentioned are exposed more so than people generally expect.

The obvious answer is to spend a lot more money to get a more transparent, powerful, perfect amp. (I guess that's usually the obvious answer.) The realistic answer is to try to find amplification that, like the dc's, offers much higher level of performance than you would expect at the price.

I wish I could suggest one. I've been focusing on my front end lately, so I haven't done much with amps for the de capos. I was hoping the 8100 might be a good answer, but you didn't seem happy with it.

The Audiomats, which I've heard (not on de capos), seem like they might be a great choice; although they're not in branson's price range.

Branson: Maybe another option to look for is used mid-power tubes. I'm not sure what kind of prices they go for, but I've heard of good results with the smaller VTL amps; c-j, Manley, and Sonic Frontiers could be good as well. If you're willing to live with less-than-stellar build quality, Antique Sound Labs could be an answer. Divergent Technologies (the distributor for both) often uses De Capos with ASL amps at shows. A lot of the ASL amps are in your price range new. I wouldn't expect it to be a final solution, but it could get you where you want for a while.

Good luck.
Stuart:
Good luck with the sli-80. Looks like it should be a good match. We'd love to hear what you think. Remember to upgrade the power cord...

Chris
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