Amp design logic


I hope you'll excuse my absolute and obvious ignorance...but this is a sincere question.

I don't get why one company is selling a new tube amp for ~$1000, and another is selling one for ~$50,000. What is one paying for? The proprietary circuit design?

Surely if one adds up the cost of the parts, trannies, chassis, etc. it's not worth $50K.

I accept that the more expensive one sounds lots, lots better. But what makes the price so high? Demand?

I think given a circuit diagram from a repair manual, I could eventually build most tube amps from scratch, using the absolute best of each part available. After I learn to solder. For less than $50K, just buying the best cap, resistor, wire, etc. made, for each part, I could slowly build an amp equal to the best in the world. So I don't get it.

What makes an amp worth $50K? It can only be the proprietary tube amp design.

Maybe another factor is the transformers. Each company seems to have their own iron, but that can't be a significant part of $50K?

Thanks, just really wondering about this. And wondering why don't I just make my own? If I buy one part at a time, eventually I can have the best amp there can be.

Jim
river251

Showing 3 responses by mechans

The price of anything is always what someone is willing to pay for it. A $50K amp that has never been sold is not worth $50K, it is really quite simple.
OTOH some of the "best" parts prices (called components by manufacturers BTW) are higher than you might imagine . Look up Deuland capacitors for instance and think of multiples of that cost.
Labor/benefits costs also seems to matter greatly. I needn't tell you that some populus countries that are making most of the consumer electronics now, have very low costs. In fact all overhead costs energy, space etc. vary widely by place of manufacture.
Many things we covet are kept intentionally scarce and never marked down these have a quote a pride of ownership cost assiciated (Think Patek Phillipe, Cartier, ST DuPont) etc.) Certainly this phenomena is part of this hobby.
Don't forget patented proprietary circuit designs. A lot of manufacturers do not release diagrams (schematics) and code parts with their own numbers, making duplcation and reverse engineering very difficult.
Well that is a start but when you finish your perfectly built DIY $50K, for only ?$1K?? let us all know if it sounds as good as the original.
But in the end only the demand will ultimately decide the price.
So the parts (I am guessing) are 10% and a retailer marks up double in most cases. How much is the manufacturers and distributors profit? Isn't overhead part of construction costs?
You can't turn a Volkswagon into Bugatti, but you can alter/modify cars to excel at specific purposes. I think it is obvious that cars used in many races are based upon street models but have many parts changed/exchanged to upgrade performance.
Their is a thriving industry in this hobby living off the same idea. I can hardly think of any component that hasn't been or can't be modified. I myself can do little beyond rolling tubes, but I do that with some zeal, and I have employed others to mod a few pieces.
Some people do claim that modified components make their gear the equivalent of something much more costly. In any event it is abundantly clear that their is a strong belief in the value of modification.