Joe b, I have to disagree with Sedond on both of his points. First, I don't find Electrocompaniet or YBA tubelike to my ear. But, I do find both fabulous. And second, he was not making a shameless plug. That Electrocompaniet amp of his is such a steal at $800 that the only reason I can come up with as to why no one has bought it yet is people are afraid they would be arrested if they bought it. Wonderful sound. Refinement is the word I have to come up with when thinking about the sound of Electrocompaniet. I really like the AMC sound, especially their tube amps. I think of them as continuing along the lines of NAD when that company seemed to lose its focus and direction. Their tube products can be a good deal, IF you pay a low price for them. There are enough cheap used tube amps that are better to consider before AMC. Namely Golden Tube, Jolida, and Rogue. But like I said, if you want a KILLER amp, buy Sedond's Electrocompaniet. Several steps up the ladder from AMC.