Am I right for this forum?


I’ve been an Audiogon member for some years now; I remember (fondly) "millercarbon," for example, which will mean something to some of you. And I’ve been a lover of audio equipment since high school—so, for over 50 years (I graduated in 1973). And yet...more and more, I find myself alienated from this forum, even though I do still read it regularly.

I do have what I consider a very "high-fidelity" system. I’ve written a very long account of my "audio journey," complete with many photos, but not "published" it on this site. I’m also a member of our local audio club, which includes several very well-heeled members who have systems costing more than most homes (one of them owns equipment valued at nearly a million dollars, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg: his system is housed in a separate structure purpose-built for it that cost well over a million). I play cello and guitar; my wife plays piano, my daughter piano and violin. We play those instruments in the same room occupied by my main audio system, and so I can attest to the "fidelity" of that system’s reproduction.

And yet...my system cost me less than $3,000 in total. I don’t lust after any particular "upgrade," even though I read reviews and all the many accounts of improvements in "SQ" documented in this forum.

So...am I an "audiophile," or not? Do I belong here, or not?


I’m listening right now to a wonderful bit of Mozart. I also love Tool. And Christy Moore. And Eva Cassidy. And so many others. I agree with Nietzsche: without music, life would be a mistake. But am I an audiophile? Do I belong on this forum?

Any sympathy here? Anyone else feel alienated from the "audiophile community" despite loving the miracle of audio technology?

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Showing 12 responses by grislybutter

I don't understand your question, are you asking that the 3K value is below or above audiophile "grade"?

Or do you feel not welcome here, for some other reason?

 

@roxy54 he is way more of an audiophile than I am. He is into the technical aspects, he cares about it and knows more about music than most.

Another, the audiophiles system cost more than his car (s).

I am definitely one then, my current (non-existent) car cost zero :)

@roxy54 I wasn't implying you criticized him but I was wondering how he is not an audiophile in your eye or anyone's. And yes I know it's not club or degree, I don't cry because I find myself less of an audiophile than the next guy. If I had 3K, I would spend it much more wisely now than I did (roughly my current system) way back when.

But this is always a subject here, where does an audiophile system starts? I think it's when you are changing it and hearing the difference, and you have a smirk on your face, you are already an audiophile.

are you trolling us? I counted 5 pairs of different speakers on your photos, that alone could be 6 grand. Good for you, I just don't think there is much to contribute to with such a confusing pile of information.

I started to read your system description but I admit, it was too long for the moment. I don't think there is a lot of drama to be found here (in this post and in general), my 2 cents: you can't appreciate the peak, if you are dropped there with a helicopter. You have to climb the mountain. Some people here were dropped by a helicopter and have no prospective and don't understand the climb. But it's easy to not get hung up on it and ignore them. Most members here have expensive systems and worked very hard to buy the components and make it work, so I do  think it's easy to find like-minded people for anyone. The spoiled rich kids with the TIdals don't post here anyway.

 

this is, with all the info, a provocative post, to some degree. Nothing wrong with that, a lot of good discussions start with overstating facts or opinions in order to force people to take sides and voice their opposition. What’s disturbing to me about this post is that asks for sympathy for reasons that now have vanished.

Any sympathy here? Anyone else feel alienated

- are your feelings hurt, who alienated you?

Stirring the pot (a million dollar system sounds worse than my 3K system) gets so old so quickly.
Again, beautiful view, beautiful house, beautiful room, beautiful sound. But I forgot the question.

 

And I don’t mean this to upset the poster, it’s just my subjective read, my thoughts on his thoughts.... no harm done.

 

Also:

if your system is only worth $3,000 I would not consider that high fidelity mid-fi at best.

We know that if it costs less than your car it's not hifi :)

To be fair, people with expensive systems are often a lot less useful here than the ones who have to use their brain and are on a limited budget to put together their rig. (Of course it’s not either or, there are a lot of smart people here with expensive systems, who understand the synergy)

In that sense, with my budget, I always get a fair share of practical advice from low budget hackers, geeks (who would not call themselves audiophiles) more so than from people who are obsessed with how much they spent. It’s annoying when someone says "give me speaker advice for a $1000" and the comments are pouring in for price no object, expensive speakers.

 

@tvad

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6) lends expensive gear indefinitely

7) has epic stories about audio/hifi history

 

@cey I am curious, what are those forums?
I think I would have understood what you are saying in year 1 of being a member here. I now, in year 2, don’t treat this as a group of people interested in a dialog or being nice or helpful to each other. Everyone has their own story and experience and they keep repeating it over and over. It’s not their fault, it’s the nature of this train called audiogon forum. It’s 25% entertainment, 25% annoying noise, 25% education and 25% hifi news - for me. So the question of one belonging here doesn’t make sense to me. It’s like getting on a train to your destination, and you are asking do I belong to this train? You got on the train, (nobody forced you to get on and nobody is pushing you off) so yes you do.