Agree or disagree with the following statement.


Trying to get some input on an issue that a few of us are debating.

Statement:

If you have never listened to any particular component, you can't have an opinion on how it sounds.

Answer:

I don't agree with that. Measurements provide a fairly good indication of how something will sound. That's the beauty of science -- it's not necessary to have first hand experience to make reasonable judgments. You likely disagree and that could be a difference in our background and education."

So, the issue at hand is, can tell how a component sounds without listening to it, and just go on specs? Or, do you have to listen to it, as well, because the specs don't tell the whole story?
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Showing 9 responses by wolf_garcia

I love this stuff: The Tice Clock was an infamous case of utter tweak silliness when Tice marketed a Radio Shack clock that was supposedly treated with some magic Tice mojo. Supposedly when plugged into any part of the electric circuit of a room containing audio gear, everything would sound better. It was complete bullshit, the clocks weren't treated with anything, and the product stands as a classic example of fraudulent hifi snake oil.
I buy gear based on looks alone, and especially love meters and tubes. So neither sound nor specs matter...only looks. If it happens to sound good also...well...that's a "win win."
It takes some sensibility to read a review and determine if a component might work for you, and if enough reviewers say it's good...it just might be good. Since subjective reviewing became normal, lots of bullshit has flown as well as useful information along with often indecipherable tech notes, but I think the tech note people need jobs to keep them off the streets and sheltered. Exceptions exist, like when I bought a very well regarded phono cartridge and it sounded far too unnaturally "treble rich" (screechy) in my rig...sold it as a barely used item to somebody who (I assume) got better results, and replaced it with something recommended by an audio pro. Still...it looked GREAT!
The only value of the Tice Clock was timekeeping. And I did get to "hear" one at the late Lars Friedell's (possible spelling error alert) house (yes, THAT Lars) as he was a neighbor in CT. It is still my fave imaginary magical tweak and did sort of smell like roses...or maybe that was just Lars.
Geoffkait...we listened, and we (among many others) decided the Tice Clock was nonsense that time (pun alert) proved...as is the term "throwing out the negative results"...there were no "negative results," there were no results at all. Lars was a serious reviewer with amazing systems on hand to review, we weren't drinking, and your results may have differed but "obviously" you weren't there. Parallel line conditioner...man...
I made no comments regarding "extra circuitry," but imagining I did could be symptomatic of some people's propensity to accept Imaginary Quasi Holistic Audio Bullshit Tweaks, know as "ICKBUTT." I will readily enjoy things I think work, but if I encounter things that don't work at all or seem to be the equivalent of snake oil, I'll continue to be astonished and snicker to myself (and others) in a haze of Luddite-esque self satisfaction. By the way, I have found that actual Snake Oil does work to enhance soundstaging and coherence when sprayed in a fine mist on YOUR MAMA.