Advice on near-field speakers (eg, Raidho X-1)


I recently started a thread asking whether a stand-mount speaker could reward critical listening, and enough people were encouraging that I'm moving forward. Given how difficult it is to audition speakers these days, I'd appreciate some advice on which speakers might work well for me. 

I have a small, 10x12 room that I can use as a dedicated listening room. My budget for the speakers is 10k, though I'd prefer less, and I'll be buying a new amp and probably subs to fill out the sound. Like Lou Reed, I have a rock and roll heart, but for this room I'm primarily interested in chamber music, symphonic music, solo piano, and (instrumental) jazz.

It's easier for me to say what I don't want: I don't want a "fun," "exciting," "surprising" small speaker that "punches above its weight" (I want an excellent speaker regardless of size). I'm not drawn to a sound that is lean, punchy, forward, or aggressive, and I'm wary of speakers that (over)emphasize resolution. I don't want a cute toy for rich people (which is how Wilson advertises its TuneTots, though it may be a great speaker). I don't like an overly bright, fatiguing upper end. 

I've lived with Maggies for years and I love that relaxed, open, airy sound that doesn't call attention to itself. I appreciate a natural timbre, open soundstage, and "musical" imaging. A warm sound is better than a cool one. I'd like a speaker that can do strings justice at low-to-medium volume. (Yes, I know I'm asking about small speakers here.)

I've read some intriguing things about the Raidho X-1 and XT-1. They'd likely need subs but they're designed for small rooms and get some very positive reviews. I can't tell, though, whether they have the kind of sound I'm describing. I'd appreciate thoughts from anyone who knows them.

Here are some of the other speakers I've been reading about, eliminating speakers that I have no chance of hearing (Wilson-Benesch, Reference 3A, TAD ME-1). 

Boenicke W5
Harbeth (P3ESR or 30.?; I'm a bit flummoxed by the new line)
JA Pulsars
Dutch and Dutch 8C
Focal Sopra or Diablo ($$)
Magico A1
KEF Reference1
Boressen Z1 ($$)
Spendor

I'd love to take any of these off my list if folks think they're not what I'm after in terms of sound or room. I've heard the Harbeths and can do a home trial of them; I've enjoyed hearing the Pulsars but they're rear ported and may need more space from the front wall than I have. And some of these seem a bit physically big to me but maybe that doesn't matter.

Once again, thank you! I really appreciate the knowledge and wisdom out here.



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the Raidho x-1s do not deliver deep bass. I was quite happy with them paired with my Sunfire Tru SuperJunior which is a 1500w 8” subwoofer. You need a good sub that had tons of power and has an iron grip on the driver. Raidho and JL will be obscenely good together.
These are all about soundstage and delivering a deep and immersive listening experience. They are good with acoustic, instrumental and strings. I listen to a lot of jazz.
Harbeth is amazing with strings. I have found people love Harbeth or are indifferent. If they are to your taste, don’t bother with the rest of your search. If you are indifferent, move on.
There is one retailer on the country for Boenicke and they don’t even have an on-line presence. I visited that retailer a lot before I started my company. I lived like 6 blocks away. It is a good speaker. Like Harbeth, you love them or...meh. It is more of a lifestyle choice. Same shop, different section, I was far more impressed by the Verity Finns. Completely different style of speaker. That being said, during that purchase cycle, I ended up with the Raidho’s.

the Sopra 1s are good sounding speakers. I have heard them driven by Naim gear and they were natural with a good image. I think they would do okay with your musical choice. I find Focals floor-standers more impressive and would lean toward the Kanta 2. That being said, they NEED warm amplification.
I am not a huge Kef fan. The Reference 1 is a heck of a speaker though. I love the 3 way design and aluminum baffle. A little bright for my taste. Should be a good choice with right amp as it delivers a big sound. AVM matches well with them.

I have never heard the Magico A1s. I spent about 40 minutes in the Magico/AVM room at NY Audio Show in 2018 listening to the A3s with AVM flagship gear. They played classical and jazz exclusively while I was there. It was very nice. Not my favorite speaker. I like a more immersive soundstage but very nice. Not sure if the A1 is as good as the A3. Magicos love power.  You can’t give them enough and they will open up and sound better the more power you give them.  

I have never heard the Spendor As, the Spendor D7.2s are lovely. Very natural sounding. Need refined, neutral amplification. I listened to these after listening to the Tune Tots and was pleased with the experience .
I have not heard the Boressen or the Dutch & Dutch.
I have taken a crack at a Pulsar like speaker from a design perspective. Getting the crossover right is hard and the Pulsars very much do get it right. Superb with classical and jazz. The high mass tweeter does well in an MDF cabinet and you get more detail than you would expect. It is a good speaker for your needs and like the Spendors, needs neutral amplification.
Other notes, front port does not mean that it can necessarily be placed near a wall. The bass won’t get muddy but you may have soundstage issues. The Raidho’s like a little room from the back wall despite being front ported.
Rear port can work better than you would expect, particularly if the port is long. My Pulsar like speaker is good with 18” of space behind it. I believe the JAs are as good in terms of placement.

A few thoughts - the Raidho X-1s are a brilliant speaker.  They deliver a huge soundstage and definitely are not bright.  Amp pairing is critical, as is placement.  I have owned these personally before I was in the business and have had them as a dealer.  

AMTs are not inherently aggressive and bright in terms of sound profile. They can be when implementation is poor.  When implementation is right, they offer amazing detail and can be wonderful.  Audiovector is a great example of this.  

In the end, that is a respectable list that offers a wide range of sound profiles.  I might swap a couple, but that is my bias.  Amp choice with all of them is critical with all of them for them to be at their best but that can't be shocking.  
@chungjh Harbeth has a very smooth and natural sound.  Given how small your space is, I would look at the M30.2 XD.  I think anything bigger than that would be too much.  
Regarding tube amps, in your other thread you were asking about them.  For high power, (over 50w), I think VTL is excellent.  
I would look at he VTL S-200.  100w in triode.  Brilliant sound and plenty of power.  Not cheap at $12,500 but I have had good experiences with VTL gear.  I had a pair of MB185 monos.  
For less expensive gear I like Rogue.  They don’t offer a stereo amp that will deliver 100w in triode, but the stereo 100 does offer 100w in Ultralinear and is very good sounding.  
Good luck